Episode 124
Homeowner Horror Stories: From the Crypt of the Boxcar Universe Team
The primary focus of this special Halloween episode revolves around the harrowing realities of home renovation nightmares, as experienced by homeowners. We delve into chilling true stories that range from disappearing contractors to unsettling encounters with mold and poorly executed DIY projects. I am joined by esteemed guests David Dion Whole Home Inspections and Dan Hayden, both of whom possess extensive knowledge and experience in the realm of home inspections and renovations. Together, we aim to enlighten our listeners on the importance of awareness and preparedness in home maintenance to avert potential disasters. As we navigate through these spine-chilling accounts, we hope to impart valuable lessons that encourage homeowners to stay vigilant and informed about the integrity of their residences.
Takeaways:
- The podcast delves into frightening home renovation experiences, showcasing true horror stories that highlight the risks homeowners face during DIY projects.
- Listeners learn about the evolution of home construction, from primitive shelters to modern sustainable living solutions like container homes.
- The hosts emphasize the importance of understanding one's home and being proactive about maintenance to prevent potential disasters.
- The episode underscores the necessity of professional inspections and permits, warning against the dangers of neglecting these crucial steps in homeownership.
- Homeowners are encouraged to educate themselves about their properties and to seek help when faced with unfamiliar issues, as knowledge is a powerful ally.
- The discussion also touches on the impact of environmental factors, such as expansive soil, on home stability and the importance of proper drainage.
Transcript
Hi, Boxcar Nation. This is my Boxcar Universe Halloween Horror Story special. We're diving into some of the scariest home renovation nightmares you've ever heard.
I've got David Dion and Dan Hayden here with me, and trust me, these guys will give your toolbox chills. Stay tuned. It's gonna get spooky.
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And now, contractor, radio and TV personality, and your host for Boxcar Universe, Steve Dubel.
Speaker C:Hi, I'm.
Speaker A:Hi, I'm Steve Dubel, host of Boxcar Universe. And this is the Boxcar Universe Halloween special, where we showcase homeowners worst homeowner horror stories.
We're turning off the lights, locking the toolbox, and sharing some true homeowner horror stories that'll make your hair stand on end. That's if you still have any left, like me.
Joining me in the haunted workshop, our two brave souls today, David Dion, a man who has seen more homeowner disasters than most folks see in a lifetime, and Dan Hayden, the voice of reason, I think, or maybe the voice warning you not to DIY your own electrical system this Halloween. Together, we're diving into some frightening true tales.
From disappearing contractors in flooded dream homes to haunted flips, mold monsters, and projects that you just won't stay buried. All that and more on this special edition of Boxcar Universe, your home for remodeling and renovating your world.
And we want to welcome all our listeners to our Halloween Homeowner Horror Story special.
And this is something that we like to do every year when we want to talk about these homeowner horror stories, which can, you know, when people say, well, what do you mean, horror stories? Well, you know, it's Halloween. There's a lot of things going out, you know, horror, scary things.
Okay, well, we all three of us have seen a lot of scary things.
Homes that contractors have done, disasters that have come upon some homes and obviously some things that homeowners have seen and done, and they just thought they did the greatest job in the world until, you know, disaster struck and now they have some problems. So we want to get into some of those.
And for those of you who are regular listeners, we throughout the year, we touch base on what, one or two here and there.
But being this is our Halloween special, we thought we'd dive right in, and we've got some pretty scary things that will hopefully shock some homeowners into learning more about their home, because that's one of the most important things. Like I say you could go buy a new car. You could buy a used car.
One of the things that you always want to do is, you know, instead of just throwing that manual in your glove box and forgetting about it until the time when you want to sell the car is, you know, maybe you should go through it once and see if there's anything that, you know, you need to know just for general basic maintenance. And that's the same thing that we always talk about for people's homes.
You want to be able to turn around and have at least a working knowledge to what's going on in your home.
That's why I always say walk around your home and see if there's certain things that are not normal, you know, and that's not saying that, guys, we're not normal either, but you know how that goes.
Speaker D:But you're talking mechanically and about. About the housing, right?
Speaker C:That's right.
Speaker D:We're not talking of the occupants.
Speaker A:Okay. That's right. All right. All right. We're bringing Dave Dion and Dan Hayden into the mix today. And, guys, welcome to Boxcar Universe. And this is.
This is going to be an interesting, entertaining show.
Speaker D:We'll scare up some ideas.
Speaker A:I think we'll scare up some really, really good ideas. And for those of you don't know, Dan Hayden is a longtime friend and was owner of DEC Inspections. He's now retired and.
But he's still seeing a lot of strange things out there.
Speaker D:All I saw, I had to retire.
Speaker A:Yeah, all the things you saw, you had to retire. And Dave is with us. Dave is with whole home inspections, and he is out there active, you know, seeing a lot of scary things out there, too.
And guys, welcome to the show today. And it's. It's going to be something very special, you know, and there are a lot of different things that.
That I think that homeowners have to be aware of.
So, guys, do you have any opening comments that you'd like to use, know, share with the listeners and maybe, you know, shock them into, you know, the real world.
Speaker D:When it's more than just static that's getting to you when you touch. Touch the lights or an outlet. Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:Or all the water.
Speaker D:Oh, yeah, all the water.
Speaker C:That's right. When you touch water and it shocks you.
Speaker D:Yeah, Especially. Yeah. You Turn around the kitchen, you have a metal stank and zap.
Speaker A:You know. Yeah, it's. It's amazing how many people that I've seen in the course of years of remodeling have turned around.
We're talking about electric, for starters. Turn around and, you know, think that they know what they're doing. You know, where.
Oh, I could run a box over here and connect the wires and, you know, and then they throw a microwave on it, you know, and it's like, no, I can't do that.
Speaker C:How about bootleg grounds?
Speaker A:Bootleg grounds.
Speaker C:That one. That one's a fun one. So it's outside of the standards of practice for us to be pulling receptacles.
But my personal company's SOP is if we're in a house that was built pre 70s, in the 60s and older, we'll pull one receptacle at the very least. And generally on an outside wall, we've got slump block, not very easy to run grounding.
And we'll pull a receptacle to see if we get that bootleg ground. That's where it's, you know, they do a little jumper wire from the neutral to the ground.
So it shows our tool that it's grounded, but it really is not.
Speaker D:Or they try to use the conduit. Yeah, there's always a sneaky one.
Speaker A:Well, you know, it's. You know, everybody tries to just. Even if they can't do it right, they want to try and make it look right. Yeah, but that gets to be a little.
That gets to be a little scary. I mean. Well, the. One of the. One of the electrical things I remember that, that I came across was when we were doing.
We're doing our TV show years ago, and we were doing this flip over on the west side off Northern and I17.
And the people that were living there before they turned the garage into a grow room, and they had some creative H vac ductwork in there, as well as the electric. They. They ran electric from the attic coming down, and we're powering all kinds of different grow lights and everything else that were.
Was definitely, definitely not per code.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, but you just can't run wires from outlets or. Or places and expect nothing to happen, especially if you're doing it wrong.
And that's why they always say, you know, you want to be able to have a qualified electrician like our sponsor, Mr. Electric, come in and do the right thing. And then this way, you know, you have some peace of mind.
Speaker D:That's right.
Speaker A:But you Know, the last thing you want to do is jury rig something electrically because, you know, worst things work. You know, you might.
You might wake up in the middle of the night if you're living there or even if it's a rental or something, and you think you know what you're doing because you want to play landlord and Mr. DIY fix it. And then all of a sudden the house. The house burns down. And that's. That's just not a good thing. You can't have peace of mind without.
Without getting it done right. But, you know, and Dan knows, one of my pet peeves is, you know, for people that leave their Christmas lights up all year, you know, you know those.
You know those stupid icicle lights that people leave up all year, they used.
Speaker D:To be white, but now are kind of a brown.
Speaker A:Well, they're brown, yeah, because the sun just burnt them to a crisp. And then, you know, that's why I was talking when Mr. Electric Sean LaPointe was here with us a few weeks ago.
I said, you know, I think, I think for people that are still putting up lights, all right, a lot of the newer ones, a lot of LEDs, one of the cool things.
I like people and it's easy for them where they have those lights with the, with the different discs that, you know, project on the house so you could do some, like I've seen, oh, my God, for Halloween, there's it. Some of those discs are unbelievable with the. Some of the things they do. But you don't have to physically go up and tack lights down.
But, you know, there's some people that leave those icicle lights up all year long. And you, you know, I remember a couple years ago, you know, there were a lot of.
A lot of fires that got started because people were negligent and just. Or got lazy and didn't take their. Didn't take their lights down.
Speaker D:Well, they just wanted to singe the edge of the house like a creme bra.
Speaker A:Get creative, Dan. But that's just a little crazy. But, you know, you shouldn't, you shouldn't want to be able to do that.
I mean, but you know, one of the other things that we want to talk about is you talk about the haunted flip, okay? And for those of you want to, want to know what is a haunted flip? Well, you know, walls start weeping water every time it rains. The.
The guy who flipped the house painted over the black mold and stuff insulation into the holes, you know, and that's just wrong. And then that brings up one of our Other favorite topics, which I know you guys got some special things to talk about. That is mold bold.
Dave, what's some of the things we were talking about yesterday share with our listeners when it comes to mold?
Speaker C:Yeah, first off, as a home inspector, I must say that this state says that we must call it possible microbial growth because only lab testing can tell you what mold is. But if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, do you need a duck specialist to make you cough?
Speaker A:Right? I mean, is that, I mean, obviously that has to be something that you gotta have that title to be politically correct. I mean, come on, it's, you know.
All right, so if it's not mold, but it looks and acts like mold.
Speaker C:And so with disclaimer made. Hey, look, if you see something and you know what it is, then call the right person. Just call the restoration company out and take a look at it.
Several restoration companies will come out for free. They're gonna give you a bid.
They'll give you a bid for not only taking care of the mold, but also the build back if you're working with the right restoration companies and things like that. I was doing a, what I call a wellness check.
So people that live in the home and they just wanted to give a once over of the house, just, hey, we want to figure out if we should be tackling anything and that kind of stuff. And I saw that the shower was redone. It was a really fancy redone shower.
And then I looked in the adjacent wall master closet and the clothes are just jam packed in there. So I asked the owner, do you mind pulling some of these shirts off the wall and pull the shirts off and the whole wall is full.
So that shower install was not great and was constantly leaking every time they took a shower, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah, and that's true. You know, one of the things that one, one of our other topic points I'll just jump into real quick.
As long as you brought it up is the fact that, you know, if you don't have any, you know, it's like you don't have your landscape or paint in your house or don't let your, your painter or landscaper do your tile work in the house.
And one of the things that, that could go wrong is the guy, he'll put up the board, he'll do the tile, and he'll forget to waterproof the whole enclosure. And then things like that happen.
All of a sudden, you know, a couple of months down the road, tile starts popping off the wall because the moisture Got in behind it and, you know, an eighth or a quarter inch of grout, caulk or just plain grout is not going to hold the tile in place.
Speaker D:Neither is having a shower that goes down downhill away from the actual drain.
Speaker A:So they sloped it wrong. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker C:I see that on seats a lot.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:Shelves and seats where they slope away.
Speaker D:Or you flush the toilet and there's a little trail that comes out.
Speaker A:Yeah, we've seen a little bit of that. Yeah. Well, you know, bad wax rings causes major, major problems. They know. Dan. Dan and I went out to look at one that we had done. Oh, my God.
It was about two years ago, and there was a leak coming from the. The wax ring, we suspect. And it was running. It was in a. It was in one of your things that you were talking about before, you know, a modular home.
And it was running towards. It ran from the toilet leak under the wall underneath. They had this big. They had this big area for. For sitting. And there was a seat there.
It ran underneath and completely destroyed the underneath.
Speaker D:The wall went underneath the wall? Oh, yeah, into the enclosure.
Speaker C:I. I've got another one that would. Brought. Brought up a story where I did another wellness check. They live there, it's their house. And I always preemptive.
Hey, do you have any concerns? Is there anything weird happening with the house? You know, just kind of do a preemptive start. And she said, there's a lot of fruit flies.
I got a fruit flies in the house. I don't know what's going on with that. So that was one of the few things that she mentioned.
And then doing the inspection, I noticed the upstairs toilet was a little loose to the floor. And, you know, you stand next to each side of that toilet and you can kind of rock the toilet a. So I go downstairs in the living room.
I look above, there's this little tiny stain. So I said, you know, your toilet's loose. There may be a leak. She goes, well, we just had it tightened, you know, two months ago. And so that's weird.
It's loose again. I go, well, maybe there's nothing to hold on to. And she goes, well, what do you expect? You know what, should I get it tightened again? No, no, no.
I said the best thing. Pull the toilet, check the subfloor. You'll probably need new sheathing. You need to rebuild. And I go, well, this is your home.
So the cheapest way to really see what's happening right now, the now now thing, just cut the drywall right above our Head where we see the stain. And you can see under the toilet. The sun jumps out, I'll cut it off. And I go, hey, drywall's cheap. You can patch.
So he jumped up, he cut a hole in it. And I've got that picture somewhere. I think it's online. But right underneath you see the toilet and you see all the deterioration of the subfloor.
And guess what? Fruit flies.
Speaker A:Oh, there you go. Fruit flies in the crawl space.
Speaker C:That was upstairs. Upstairs toilet.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker D:In between. In between floors.
Speaker A:It gets to be a little crazy after a while. I mean, oh my God, it's just terrible. But you know, again that talking about, you know, a lot of different people claim they could do tile.
And that's why it's important to be able to have somebody who, who is, you know, licensed and knows supposedly hopefully know what they're doing. And you know, always ask the process of, of when you're doing it.
Because, I mean, I've done, over the years, I've done a lot of showers turn around and you know, they ask you that question, well, is it going to leak? I said, no, not. And when we do it, it's not going to leak because we water test it before we start putting tile down on the floor.
Everything's red guarded. And you know, this, there isn't any problem. So.
But anybody who just gets something done, that's the one thing that, I mean, Dan, you know, some of the people that you've seen that have done flips, they turn around and you don't know who did the work on the flip.
Speaker C:How about, how about hang your upper cabinets with drywall screws?
Speaker D:Oh boy, is that fun.
Speaker C:I see that all the time.
Speaker A:Did they at least find a beam?
Speaker C:Well, my, my house, they didn't find the beam, it turns out. Yeah, we. We lost everything.
Speaker A:We.
Speaker C:It's a, It's a good story. Just because, because the kiddos were young. So my son's and his, his. He's.
He's strapped down in his seat and my daughter's sitting there and I'm cooking lunch and my wife's away and I reach into the cabinet, real high cabinets to grab a glass and the cabinet comes off the wall. Luckily, I'm. I'm fast enough to hold it in place as the, you know, my wife and I's. All of our, like our collector stuff from our past.
The beer steins come rolling out, the engraved wedding flukes. You know, everything is coming down and blowing up all over the place on the granite countertops and I just.
I have to hold it into place as this thing empties. Cause it's just too heavy. And so finally when it's empty, I lower it to the ground. I look up, my son is just shock, look, stuck in his chair.
My daughter's all the way across the room. They're both quiet. They're looking at me. I look at them and then my daughter goes, mom's gonna be so mad. And then they both start crying.
And I looked, there was two screws. One kind of touched the. The framing.
Speaker A:Oh my God. So anyway, that's pretty scary. That's something that we just.
Speaker C:You can't see.
Speaker A:Well, you just, you just don't know. But you know, again, you know, hopefully somebody did it, right? I mean, you know, didn't they have screws connecting it to the adjacent cabin?
Or was it by itself?
Speaker C:It was by itself.
Speaker A:It was. Oh, that's why.
Speaker C:Single hung.
Speaker A:Oh boy. Oh, okay.
Speaker C:Luckily we didn't lose the countertop. That would have been a real pricey fix.
Speaker A:Oh my God.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:Well, that's like you're in a place and when you cook breakfast, it's still there by midnight the next night because there's no ventilation.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker D:It's one of those pre manufactured homes and they just foamed the roof and foamed over all of the vents to the house. Jesus.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:That's unbelievable.
Speaker D:You know those, those, you know, those spooky spins smells from the past.
Speaker C:I've seen a lot of vents that have been painted shut.
Speaker D:Oh yeah. That's fun.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker D:Especially the ones on the side of the house. They're supposed to pop open.
Speaker C:Yeah. The dampers are painted shut. All the dampers are painted shut. And they've been that way since build and that kind of stuff.
Speaker D:Yeah. Or they're stucco shut. The stucco so high at the bottom.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:The hit never moved.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:No. Well, Dan knows I had a. I had an issue when I built my custom home years ago.
The guy stuck out the house and then about three, two, three years into it, you know, when I was married, my wife came in at the time. She says, you know, the clothes are taking longer to dry and all of a sudden I'm starting to smell like something burning. I'm like, stop.
Shut everything off. I'll be right home. Find out. When I went back and we pulled everything away and it looked is that I couldn't see anything from the bottom.
So I go up on the top on the side of the house where the vent vents out from the. From that from the dryer. Sure enough, the stucco was partially over the vent and prevented it from opening.
So I called my stucco guy out and I said to him, I said, hey, you know, remember when you did my house? He said, yeah. I said, well, you stucco my damn vent closed and I could have had a house fire and lost everything.
And to top it all off, the city inspector missed it, so it was everybody's fault. So he's like, oh, my God.
Speaker C:Yeah, the PSA is clean your dryer vents. Nobody cleans their dryer vents. PSA just clean your dryer vents.
And if you ever are doing clothes and all of a sudden your dryer is just not drying like it used to, guess what? You gotta first place clean the dryer. That doesn't mean the little lint trap. That means.
Speaker A:No, no, it doesn't pull out the.
Speaker D:Machine and go, yeah.
Speaker A:And it doesn't mean just the accordion behind it that connects it to the vent that's in the wall.
Speaker D:Oh, I mean the accordion that smashed shut.
Speaker A:Yeah. Oh, yeah. How many times you've seen that? You push it so far back. Oh, yeah. It's connected, but it's smashed shut so it can't go anywhere.
Speaker D:So in the air force, two thirds of the housing fires were from closed vents for dryers. And boy, they would smoke them good.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's just pretty amazing. We're going to take a short break, but now when we come back, we're going to talk about some strange wall sounds.
If anybody had any homes, I got some of those.
Speaker D:Oh, I've got a lot of those.
Speaker A:Critters in your wall. When we return, don't go away. You're listening to Boxcar.
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Speaker A:Morning. Morning. How'd you sleep? Oh, I just, you know, I. Once my head hits the pillow, I don't hear anything. I slept like a rock. How about you?
I didn't sleep good at all.
Speaker E:Didn't you hear that creaking all night?
Speaker A:Creaking? What kind of creaking did you hear? Oh, it was awful.
Speaker E:The house was creaking all night. I don't believe you didn't hear it.
Speaker A:The house was creaking. Oh, my God. What was that? Was that what you heard last night?
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah, that was it.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, great. Now what do we do? All right, we are back, and you're listening to the special Halloween Homeowners Horror Story. Homeowners Horror Story special.
Say that fast three times for Boxcar Universe. And we want to welcome everybody back. And, you know, think about this, guys. You're. You're.
You're home sleeping at night, and, you know, you've got your security alarm on and everything's fine.
The dog is sleeping, and all of a sudden you start hearing these, like, maybe some, like, scratching sounds, and you can't figure out where it's coming from. It's not the dog and it's not a. You're not dreaming, you know?
And all of a sudden, it could be the wall, could be the ceiling, you know, what's going on there. And then think about it. When was the last time you had a pest control treatment or something? Is, you know, maybe.
Maybe you have something crawling around in your attic and things that shouldn't even be there. Especially one of the places here in Arizona that has roof rats is down in the Arcadia district.
Down here in Phoenix, especially where they have a lot of orange trees.
Speaker D:That's right.
Speaker A:And a lot of those trees. You have to make sure that those trees are trimmed back because those roof rats will jump.
Speaker C:Fun. Fun fact. Roof rats can jump up to four feet.
Speaker A:That's right. So.
Speaker D:And that's. And that will access most of the eaves in the Arcadia district. Yeah, they can jump like that.
They can come off a chair or something in the yard and they're up and in and on.
Speaker A:You think about. Think about that. You know, you have. And then, you know, I. It. It. I've seen people that just. Have gotten. David.
Just about lost it because, you know, they're hearing these sounds. They don't know. And you think about it, you know, it's. It gets Kind of creepy.
And because people turn around and they're like, oh, my God, what's in my attic? Oh, it's, you know, and. And some people, some of the elderly people, it scares them. It scared. Those strange sounds scare them.
Like, oh, my God, what's wrong with my house?
Speaker D:Well, that's like one that these folks called me in and said, what's going on? We hear this sounds like scratching and sketching and all that kind of stuff. And I go up and get in the attic, and there's a big nest of raccoons.
And then the raccoons accessed the attic because of a hole next to the chimney all the way down to the ground.
Speaker A:Oh, wow.
Speaker D:Yeah, it was like, you know, open. Open closet up they go with that.
Speaker E:That's.
Speaker A:That's really crazy. So they were. They had. They had open access around the chimney and a roof when according to code, it only says it was supposed to have 2 inches.
They had more than that.
Speaker D:Yeah. This was in a really old home. It was a 40s.
Speaker A:Oh. Oh, yeah, there was one.
Speaker C:So the, The. The first. The first sign is when you see insulation or little silver pieces of ductwork that's underneath the vents from your H vac vents, ductwork.
And you see insulation under the. Under those vents on the ground. So I was like, I wonder. That's. That's interesting.
And then it was a flat roof home, and of course we got abandoned vents. So once upon a time there was a vent, and they decided, well, we don't need that range hood vent anymore. Or the vent loses its place.
And now we have a good little critter entrance into the attic space. And they run around up there and eat up the. Because we got pack rats, too. They like to chew on things.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, Pack rats. Yeah, they get to be.
Speaker D:And you have pack rats and you have people, the humans that take those peanuts from packing and dump them into the attic.
Speaker A:Oh, they think that's insulation.
Speaker C:Yeah, the R value on that is right.
Speaker A:I saw that one time. He's like, you know, he really, really. Yeah, no, we're going to repurpose it. We're recycling it. No, I don't think so. Not for that purpose.
Speaker D:No.
Speaker A:You know, oh, my God. You know, bring it to Goodwill if you want or use it at Christmas, but not, don't put it in your attic. No, it gets to be a little wild and crazy.
Speaker D:Or you get. Get a call from somebody saying, I hear something going, tickle, tickle, tinkle, tinkle. On the side of my house where my Panel is.
And they just didn't get it because it was an old weatherhead type of panel. And when I walked around and looked, one of the holes for the wires had been knocked out.
Some little squirrel had been saving his nuts, throwing them down the pipe. And when I opened up the panel, the panel was filled all the way up with nuts.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker D:I bet she's going, where'd it go?
Speaker A:You know, the other thing, too, is, you know, besides we're talking about those kind of critters. The other thing that.
That I remember that we did many years ago that had Dan come out and shoot with the infrared is that homeowner couldn't understand why he kept hearing this humming. And in this one part of the house, and he didn't know, is there anything around it outside?
I mean, everything looked normal, except he heard this humming noise. Well, Dan came out. I had him come out, and he. He infrared the areas in the side of the house up towards the ceiling and everything. What does he find?
Bees. So I had. What happened was I had the guy come over, and we actually drilled holes in the stucco in the parapet wall, and he froze them. Okay.
And then we cut the stucco out, and it was. I still have pictures of that stuff. Dan. It's just. It's amazing. And we had, like, two or three different areas, and they were in there, and they were.
Speaker D:That was a sticky situation.
Speaker A:Talk about it. I mean, they were making honey like they wouldn't believe. I mean, and even after we got done.
We got done freezing them and cleaned out all the wax and the hives that were in there, because we had to get the hives out. And then we closed it back up. Don't. You know, they still came back trying to look. Hey.
Speaker D:Because that's where homeless.
Speaker A:Where'd you go with the door? You know, I can't get in.
Speaker C:So I had a hearth that was full of bees. I've seen a couple good beehives.
Speaker D:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:And then attic space beehives.
Speaker D:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Okay. So, guys, what's.
What's the best recommendation if somebody comes across a beehive hanging outside their house or even attached to their house, what was the best thing you should. What was the first best thing you could recommend somebody to do?
Speaker C:Stay away. Be specialist.
Speaker A:I mean, stay away. Call it special.
Speaker C:Don't spray it with the hose or.
Speaker D:Go up there and poke it.
Speaker C:That's right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
I mean, you see those things on social media where a guy goes out with this big look, like an expandable paint stick, and Trying to whack it, knock it down. Or somebody hits toys. Oh, well, he can't come after me. I've got a hose.
Speaker D:Or go out there with a fire extinguisher and think they'll freeze it.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, right. No, that's not really a healthy thing to do, because we're talking about these things could seriously injure you.
Speaker C:So that brings up another point, too, is if you're. If you are outside your house and you see something flying around, keep an eye on it. If it's near your house, keep an eye on it. Because.
Because nine times out of ten, you'll see it poke into your house somewhere in a little tiny hole. So I always do that. I always kind of follow it, especially on inspections. Follow that little guy. And I see him right into space.
Speaker A:Either space or. You know, they love. You know, the woodpeckers love to start chomping into stucco and chew out some of those screens up in the bird block holes.
And then they have a perfect place to set up a nest, have babies, and they just go in and out with nothing there to stop them until somebody sees it, and then they just close it up.
Speaker D:I did a home in Wickenburg to where I watched long enough, and I got up into the old, old attic that was block and rock. There were bats in the belfry.
Speaker A:Really?
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:Wow. Bats in the belfry. Don't see too many bats round.
Speaker C:I've only seen one staring at me in Fountain Hills. He was up on the patio just looking down at me.
Speaker A:Yeah, I saw. I think I saw one small one was about maybe 6, 8 inches round or kind of the shape of a bat with the wings.
And it was like, stuck to the side of the wall. And it just. It just. It just stayed there. It didn't go anywhere. And I asked the homeowner, he says, how long has this been here?
And he said, oh, no, it's been there for, like, days. I mean, you know, so eventually, I think. I think what he did was he.
He nudged him a little bit with a broom handle, and then he kind of moved, and then he just flew away. But, yeah, I mean, you don't know why. Why those kind of things just all of a sudden attached to your house.
Speaker D:May have gotten hurt, and you're sitting there trying to repair and then get out of there.
Speaker A:Yeah. So, I mean, those things, you don't want to do. The other thing you talk about the. This is an interesting one. You know, the permitting poltergeist.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker A:Talk about that. And People say, well, what is that? Is where people turn around and the homeowner decides to build an addition without permits. Okay. Oh, yeah.
All right. And how many times have we seen and gone out where see people have built additions onto homes and you know, there's. They did it with no permits.
They said, nah, no problem, it's not going to be a big deal. And we've talked about this in the past with a lot of different people. You talk about it.
If you do something like that and you go to sell a house, disclose it, you know, well, they've got to disclose it for one. But even if they don't, it's going to get caught.
Because, you know, if, when you guys go out and do an inspection and you go, well, you know, like for instance, you know, an enclosed patio, and you know, you're in your report, you have enclosed patio, and we found this, this, or we didn't find that.
And then all of a sudden, when they compare it to what the city records are, find out that the, that square footage for that patio is not on the home in their records. And then it's going to cause you a problem when you go to sell the house because the square footage is don't match up.
And if, if a homeowner, like a potential buyer comes out and hires you guys to come in and do an inspection and you disclose, hey, you know, we found this and this, and it doesn't match, the homeowner will be left with a problem.
Either he has to get it permitted, in which he's going to meet some demo because they want to see what was done, how to build it, and go back and do the permit, or turn around to the homeowner and say, well, we'll take so much money off the, off the sale price, you know, if you'll do it now, any smart buyer would turn around and say, either, either get it permitted or tear it down. Otherwise, I'm walking.
Speaker C:Yeah. Rooms without H Vac ductwork, run into them is usually a sign.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker D:The other part is when you're doing your first walk around, around a building and you're having to put your head sideways, what's right or wrong with the picture?
Speaker A:Yeah, I know. I mean, it gets to be a little crazy and stuff like that. But again, that goes along the lines of people are Pennywise and dollar foolish.
They decide that they're going to put something on and spend money to build something, but if it costs maybe a 500 or $1,000 or even more for a permit, they won't spend it. And they think they're.
They're spending money, but, you know, they're just pushing off the headache that they're going to have down the road because they will come back and bite you.
Speaker D:Because if they actually are adding square footage to the exterior of the house, the city knows how much square footage is allowed on that lot, Right.
If they go beyond what's the normal limit, they're gonna be having to tear the whole thing down, starting over and all that other process dealing with lawyers and the city.
Speaker A:It's true. It's true. David, you had said you had a good H Vac story.
Speaker C:Oh, that was with the. The sounds in the walls.
So the funny thing is, the first time I came across this, it was actually a friend of mine called me, said, hey, I need to borrow your infrared camera. I got this tick, tick, ticking in my wall when I'm trying to sleep at night. And he knew what it was, and he needed my camera to find where it was.
So it wasn't poking a bunch of holes in his wall. Well, it's the H Vac refrigerant line that runs through the wall into the attic space.
When it was turned on and off, just the movement of its operation was just click, click, clicking in his wall. And he needed to put some kind of separation against that. So since then, I've come across it during inspections. I hear the tick, tick.
I know what's going on. I know where it's at.
Speaker D:That's right.
Speaker A:There's no accounting for experience, I'm telling you.
Speaker C:Really?
Speaker A:That's amazing because it's. If there are things in your house that happen and they really. Probably because it was.
It might have been done right originally, but as things get older, right, you know, we. We creak a little. Just like it. Just like I saw. I saw it. Just wanted to share this with us just because I thought it was hysterical.
The other day, talking about, you know, Halloween. You see a lot of things on social media. A lot of people are going using Michael Jackson's Thriller, you know, and. And.
And the laugh at the end of the song and everything. But turn around where they were doing.
You know, when he starts out doing his dance, when he's got the mob in the street, well, they showcase the guy waking up and getting out of bed, and his head's like, creaking and arms like this, and he's moving around just like Michael Jackson was on the street. And it's just like. So you're telling me when I get old and I Get old and creaky. I'll be able to do the thriller dance. But those are.
Now that could be scary. That could be scary. When you get older, you have to do that. But yeah, it's. It gets to be a little. A little crazy. But the, the thing is, but guys did.
If the homeowner hadn't made you aware of it or didn't care, it probably wouldn't make any difference to them. But because of that, at least they had the forethought to call you and ask for help.
Speaker C:So I've got a lot of analogies for what we do out there. And one is that earlier you talked about car mechanics and relaying to inspectors.
Well, just imagine if you had a car mechanic that knew everything about your house, more than you'll ever know about your house. And you could call him at any time to ask him questions. However, the caveat is he's never allowed to work on your house.
He's never allowed to work on your car. So this car mechanic knows everything about your car and you can call him at any time and he'll give you advice.
However, he's never allowed to go work on your car. Wouldn't you want that mechanic?
Speaker D:Yeah, well, because he's not there to make a profit.
Speaker C:Yeah. And that's us. That's what we do out there.
Speaker A:So you can call it. You're the chat widget. Oh, my God. Some of those could be real frustrating after a while. You don't talk to the.
And like you're looking for, you know, you know, you don't know the answer, but you know what you're looking for. And the, the widget just isn't giving it to you. And it's just like, please give me a human, please.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:And it's just the stuff that we've seen. We've seen enough that it can help you go down the roads of finding the solution or finding what? What it.
Speaker E:What.
Speaker C:Let's backtrace this a bit. Let's have some conversations. Let's take a look at it. We may be able to lead you down the path of the answer.
Speaker D:Yeah. Because everything from thumping in the walls every time you flush the toilet, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, yeah. The thumping sounds or your pipes are talking to you in the floor.
Speaker C:It's just like saying, I can't breathe. It's true.
Speaker D:Or in cold country, the pipes start screaming.
Speaker A:Cold, cold country. Okay, so for our cold country, why? No. What? Why? Why? Why do they do that?
Speaker D:Because the difference of temperature, they're being being slammed into either on an exterior wall or in an attic.
Speaker A:Yeah. So those are those.
Speaker D:And then they move and then they snap. And they move and they snap.
Speaker A:Well, it gets to be pretty, pretty crazy.
Speaker D:And Polly has given us a whole new sound too.
Speaker A:Polly? Oh, Polly.
Speaker D:You mean polybulit.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, Plastic.
Speaker D:Good old Polly. Yeah.
Speaker A:Polly makes noises.
Speaker D:Yeah, right.
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And we are talking about scary things that homeowners do to their homes and things that happen well beyond what the homeowners, you know, attempt to do if they think that they are a DIY expert, which could, that alone could be pretty scary because, you know, like I always say, a homeowner with tools could be a dangerous thing.
But as I said before the break, you know, one of the things, you know, if, you know, sometimes homes get to be a little scary because we think that they're haunted. Okay, Now, Dan, have you ever run into any haunted homes?
Speaker D:Yes, I have.
Speaker A:You have?
Speaker D:Okay. Yes.
Speaker A:Tell us. Tell our listeners a little bit about the haunted home that you visited.
Speaker D:This was one that just really shook me to my core because I would leave the front door open on purpose and I'd be across the room on the inside of the house.
Speaker A:And you'd hear the door slam.
Speaker D:Exactly. Then I propped it open with a rock.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker D:Heard the rock roll and the door slam. Oh, this is where it's getting interesting.
Speaker A:And you were still inside.
Speaker D:I was walking around outside and inside to see if I catch if there's somebody messing with me.
Speaker A:So somebody was messing with you and actually maybe wanted to keep you in the house? No, that's why they closed the door.
Speaker D:I had the key. I can get out.
Speaker A:Well, maybe they didn't know that, but the other thing too, that it gets a little scary.
You know, you think about it, you're, you're out there and you're doing work in the house or something, or you just have the lights on in the living room and all of a sudden, you know, the lights start to flicker and becomes, it's not just like a one time thing. It happens all the time, you know, very regularly.
Like you watch a TV and all Of a sudden, you know, the lights flicker, and you think it might be electric, but. And the other thing, your brain goes over to the side. Is my house really haunted? I bought it. I didn't build it new. Who lived here before? Herman?
Speaker D:Yeah, really. I'm sorry. My brain goes to having been an electrician. First, let's check the grounding. Let's check the types of wiring.
Let's see if we've got something that's phasing in and out on one of the breakers. There's all sorts of things that can happen with electricity. I'm sorry. I'm logically built.
Speaker A:Well, those things. Those things happen. But you want to know. But some people aren't like that. They'll turn around and they'll think, you know, And I'm sure that you had.
You have turned around and talked to people where they have their own ideas about what's wrong. And they. And they. They're looking for confirmation from you based on what they think it is. And then you find it. It's something different.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker D:That's when you smile very nicely and just nod. No. I mean, until I can prove otherwise.
Speaker C:Yeah.
I'll give them my two cents and then say, if my advice doesn't suit your concern, then you should get further evaluation by somebody that can help guide you down that path. So sometimes it's the second squeaky step, and I say it's fine, but if. If they just can't get their head off of the second squeaky step, then.
Then definitely talk to somebody else about it, because I've said my piece and. And we're still talking about the second squeaky step. So let's get some other people involved and let's see what roads they can lead you down.
Speaker D:That's right.
Speaker A:Yeah. I mean, those are. Those are things that you always try and just help the homeowner with because it gets it.
They may think they know what's wrong, but they really don't. But again, if they reach out to you to help and ask for help, at least they're doing that. They're not. But then you get other people that.
And I'm sure all of us have seen this, where they just bury their head in the sand and they don't turn around and do anything. You know, they just ignore it.
Speaker C:And I always go back to, like, there's nobody else that you could just call that knows about your house, like your inspector. They are a resource to you. They are. They can consult you.
They can help you, lead you down the Paths of correction or just to, just to fill in that concern. You know, we're really concerned about this thing over here. Great, let's go look at this thing. Let's talk about it. And go.
I don't think it's a concern. And this is why. And xyz. And then it just gives them a peace of mind or. Great, thanks for bringing that up. I think you need to get that taken care of.
I know somebody who can help.
Speaker D:That's like I was the only castle in Europe and they kept having this one problem in the one area of the castle and nothing would stay in place and the floors would flop around and stuff like that. And after about three weeks I went back to the base and I had a. I tied one on and then I got you.
Speaker A:Got you that like whacked out, huh?
Speaker D:Well, I called the university and said, what's the story on this place?
Speaker A:Oh, see that? Yeah, strange things happen.
Speaker D:Some of those old, old funky castles over there, they do have some stuff on them.
Speaker C:Yeah, I bet.
Speaker A:I mean, you know, and it, it's different. Different parts of the, of the world have these types of homes that people have just wonder why strange things happen.
been living in Phoenix since:Yeah, but when you say it's like 40 years old, it's like I went back, I went into a house the other day and I looked and I see drywall cracks on the ceiling. And I'm like. I asked the homeowner, I said, how long have these been here? And they said, now they're not very long, maybe just a couple of months.
But they weren't that big when I started. Then I asked them, how old's the house? Well, they said something like 40 years old. And I said, well, it's probably something still settling.
And it's like after a 40 year old house. I said, yeah, things like that.
I've had seen homes that are older than that that have turned around and they, you've got slab cracks and then when, when Things start really going bad, especially with this expansive soil that we see here in Arizona.
Speaker D:Soil settlement.
Speaker A:Oh, my God. In areas are really bad. Like, I remember Anthem is an unbelievable area for expansive soil. Yeah, yeah. And in the East Valley, I think, is it Gilbert?
Gilbert has some. Yeah.
Speaker C:I mean, you can do expensive soil maps. There's heat maps that you can look up. You just Google search them. You can see the heat maps where there's a lot of that.
The expansive soil is mainly like clay. And I did an engineering class. I sat through an engineering class taught by, you know, a very monotone engineer. But. But I learned a lot.
So one was that the clay. Clay sucks, literally. So if there's a pocket of clay, it'll.
It'll pull the water in, and it expands as it pulls in that water, and then over time, with 120 degrees outside, it dries up, and then it goes back, retracts, and so you get a bit of that. So that's where it's really, really important to keep water away from your foundation. Get a nice swell is what we call it.
And make sure that water goes away from the house and not towards the house. That's right.
Speaker D:And not have the stucco all the way down to the bottom or have.
Speaker C:Your planter right up against your house and water it.
Speaker A:Right, right. So for those of you just wondering, okay.
And I just went through all of it, all these statistics, but, you know, you're supposed to have a 5% grade of 10ft away from your house. So if you have. If you don't have it, then maybe you better go check on it and make sure that somebody didn't add. Add dirt or gravel or whatever.
And anything that's causing that to rain. That's another thing, too. It's like, if it rains, you know, here in Arizona, everybody, when it says it rains, it's like, everybody.
All I want to do is go out on the patio with a glass of wine and watch it rain, because we don't see it that often.
But that's the perfect time to walk around your house and see where is there water puddling to be able to help you, because no greater thing will be Mother Nature to actually help you with that.
Speaker D:The one I love is they've taken care of the stem of the house beautifully. And then they had termites treated and they piled soil up against it all the way up to the stucco.
Speaker A:Oh, no.
Speaker D:Hide the holes.
Speaker A:To hide the holes.
Speaker C:So. So that. That I. At my own home, I. I had some termite intrusion, so I said Hey, I. I got a termite inspection company that call up. I take a look.
I did them.
Speaker A:They.
Speaker C:They did a spot treat. You can do a spot treatment. So I know what to look for. So I know where they're at. I know where they're coming in.
And then I know why, because I'm ringing the dinner bell for them. So on the north side of my home is shaded all day long. Guess what else is on the north side of my home?
My condensate line that's dripping right at my foundation. So I have nice damp soil and it's shaded all day long. And guess what I'm saying.
Speaker A:Come again? Come on in.
Speaker C:Come on and live. Here, eat this. And just to know, I got a slump block home. And guess what? I get termites too.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:So it's been treated and we're good. And we haven't seen them since. And because I extended that condensate line away from my foundation.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah. It's in. Some of the, Some of the littlest thing sometimes will solve a big problem. Just like just putting that line in.
Speaker C:Dollars can save you hundreds, hundreds can save you thousands. Sometimes dollars can save you lives, you know, so.
Speaker A:Yeah, so that's exactly right. I mean, you know, and I think there's no way, at least in my book. And I get on my soapbox here talking about when.
Remember a couple of years ago when everybody starts going out and say, well, you know, we'll. And they even still do it now all by your house. You know, there's no inspection, no repairs, no nothing.
And they just want to make a sale and then the buyer deals with the problem.
But to buy as an owner, buying a home to move into just because you think you're getting a great deal, because you don't have to pay for a home inspection is. You're going to definitely pay for it. Like you say down the road, you should never, ever, ever buy a home without having a home inspection.
Speaker C:Oh, well, I mean, if he charges $20 less, you know.
Speaker A:Well, I just, I just. So that means he was only there three and a half. Well, no, he'll be probably there if he charges that. If he gets a dollar. That's 45 minutes.
Speaker C:That's 45 minutes. Yeah, I, I got, I got five of these to do today, so I'm.
Speaker D:Gonna just knock them out.
Speaker A:And plus I have to make my tea time, so. Yeah. So again, we're trying to make sure that you, you use your head when it comes to certain things like this because it's so important to do.
If you don't know what to do with it, call a professional. And if you want to do like David does, he does. And Dan, Dan used to do that when he was active.
Go out and do whole house inspections and wellness inspections to make sure what's going on. I mean, I mean, Dan could walk into a house and smell mold. Yeah. I mean, it's amazing.
And I remember when I did and when I had one of my, one of my customers called me several years ago and, and he said, you know, I got a property that the, the tenant says that there was a water leak in the air from the hot water heater. And I said, okay. So I go out and he opens the door.
Now he's still living there and he opens the door and I'm like, the mud, the musty air just hit me like, like I walked into a brick wall. So I called the owner, I said, how long ago did this happen? Oh, about a week ago. Okay. And the guy is still living there.
Okay, Think about, think about the health reason, the aspect of what he's doing. He's living there and like those microbials are growing and.
Yeah, and we had to take the water heater out and we had to do the whole, had the remediation company can do the whole dry out and the rebuilt. And I'm like, you know, and this is surprising too because this guy had multiple properties with different, you know, different people renting.
So he, you think he would have known better Because I can't believe that the renter didn't let him know right away that hey, I got a water leak and it sat for a week. I mean that would have been pretty bad. The water just would have kept going.
Speaker C:So I came across something several years back and ever since then I went down the rabbit hole with it. Now I recommend it as a recommended upgrade to homes, especially rental properties, upstairs laundry units, internal water heater areas.
And then of course for RO systems is there's two things. One is this just, just a water alarm. And so water alarms are great in those places. If, if, if there's water event, the water alarm will go off.
But even on top of that, what's even better is these like upstairs laundry units. I say recommended upgrade for a sensor activated water shut off. That's great.
So if there's ever a leak, it hits it shuts it off right at the source and then you go to use it and you realize, oh, this isn't turning on. I wonder what's going on.
Speaker A:Oh well. Oh yeah, Hello.
Speaker C:It just saved you thousands of dollars. Yes.
Speaker A:That's amazing. That's amazing. David, tell our listeners how they could contact you if they are having scary things happen in their home.
Speaker C:Yeah, for sure, David. Whole home inspections. The easy way to get to our website is the abbreviation for phoenix, phxinspect.com or just type it all out.
Wholehomeinspectionsllc.com it got reduced because I shared my business card with an older gentleman. He goes, I'll never go to your website. I can't even read this. So that's why it's phxinspect.
Speaker A:Well, there you go. There you go. And you'll find and you'll get a chance to see the expert that we're talking to, David. He's right on the homepage.
You can't miss him with this other handsome gentleman. That's Joe. And that Joe. Who is Joe now?
Speaker C:Joe Bauer is one of my guys. He's been with me for over three years. He's 15 years license. I'm 10 years in and he's done just like me. Thousands of homes all over the valley.
Both of him and I, you know, you as well, all of us, we just have a wealth of knowledge. We've seen so many things. It's kind of like, I have another analogy. You know, when you buy a brand new car, you see that car everywhere on the road.
But before you bought it, you never saw that car, right? Yeah, well, we see, we've driven a lot of, of cars, let's put it that way. So we see a lot of things.
Speaker A:And, you know, he can't all be bad. He's got a mustache and a goatee like me.
Speaker C:I mean, Joe's great. He's super great, super personable guy. I love him.
Speaker A:There you go. All right, guys, we want to thank you both for, for being here today and partaking in our homeowner horror story special.
Speaker C:Before we close out, I want to go back to scary. And how will you close out scary for all this?
Speaker A:Okay, let's close out scary.
Speaker C:You want me to do it?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay. Yeah. So I just really, really wanted to highlight this is all in good fun and educational and hopefully you learned something here today.
But on top of that, the home inspection isn't the scary. The scary is the not knowing. The seller's disclosure isn't the scary. The non seller's disclosure is the scary.
So not knowing is where the fear comes in. Knowledge is power. Knowledge is not scary. Knowledge leads you to peace and mind, and that's what we're here for.
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And then, and we try and share that every, you know, educating people every week on everything that we can when it comes to home ownership, to different phases that you'd like to do in additions, container homes. And again, that's another whole animal. Modular homes. Like, I know that's two areas that you guys both love a lot of.
I say that with a lot of sarcasm, but, but you know, these are things that you want to tune in every week to Boxcar Universe. So we want to thank all our listeners for listening today.
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