Episode 126
Stay Warm Without Breaking the Bank: HVAC Insights
This podcast episode elucidates the pivotal aspects of preparing one’s home heating system for the impending winter months. I am joined by Don Wade from Pro Solutions Air, who possesses extensive knowledge regarding HVAC systems and their maintenance. We engage in a thorough discussion about essential preparatory measures, which encompass what homeowners should inspect, repair, and avoid to ensure optimal performance of their heating systems. Emphasis is placed on the significance of regular maintenance, including the necessity of changing filters and assessing the overall condition of the system to prevent costly repairs and inefficiencies. Listeners will gain invaluable insights that aim to enhance their comfort while concurrently safeguarding their financial interests throughout the cold season.
As we transition into the winter months in Arizona, it becomes imperative to address the functionality and efficiency of our heating systems. The discussion pivots around the significance of preparing one’s HVAC system for the seasonal shift, particularly as cold nights approach. I had the privilege of conversing with Don Wade from Pro Solutions Air, who possesses extensive expertise in heating and air conditioning. Our dialogue delved into essential pre-winter maintenance practices that homeowners should prioritize, such as inspecting and servicing the heating system to ensure optimal performance. Don emphasized the necessity of conducting biannual checks—once in spring and again in fall—to circumvent potential malfunctions during critical periods. This proactive maintenance not only enhances the comfort of the residence but also mitigates unexpected financial burdens that may arise from emergency repairs. We explored the evolution of heating solutions, from rudimentary shelters to advanced HVAC systems, underscoring the importance of sustainability and efficiency in modern home heating practices. The episode serves as a crucial reminder that thoughtful preparation and maintenance of heating systems can lead to significant savings and improved comfort during the winter season.
Takeaways:
- In preparation for the winter season, homeowners must ensure their heating systems are properly maintained to avoid inefficiencies and potential breakdowns.
- It is imperative to conduct regular inspections of HVAC systems, as neglect can lead to severe operational issues during high-demand periods.
- Understanding the different types of air conditioning units and their efficiencies can significantly affect long-term energy costs and environmental impact.
- Utilizing higher SEER-rated units can lead to substantial energy savings, thus providing both financial and ecological benefits to homeowners.
Links referenced in this episode:
- prosolutionsair.com
- stardustbuilding.org
- idealhomeimprovementaz.com
- boxcaruniverse.com
- Mrelectric.com/phoenix-metro
Transcript
All right, everybody.
Speaker A:This week on Boxcar Universe, we're heading into winter here in Arizona, and that means your heating system is about to earn its keep.
Speaker A:So I brought my good friend Don Wade from Pro Solutions Air in.
Speaker A:This guy knows exactly how to keep your home warm without burning through your wallet.
Speaker A:Dawn's breaking down.
Speaker A:What to check, what to fix and what to avoid before the cold nights hit.
Speaker A:Stick around.
Speaker A:This is the kind of information that will save you comfort and cash this winter.
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Speaker A:Hi, I'm Steve Dubell, host of Boxcar Universe.
Speaker A:And here's what's coming up on this week's edition of Boxcar Universe.
Speaker A:We have the owner of Pro Solutions Air team here, Don Wade, and we're going to be talking about air conditioning and all the things that you need to do.
Speaker A:Now that we're heading into the fall season and you've gone through.
Speaker A:Most of us here in the country have gone through the hottest part of the year.
Speaker A:I know some of us are, you know, getting their tundra clothes out, but no, not quite here in the valley yet in the sun.
Speaker A:But it's going to be.
Speaker A:It's going to get cold.
Speaker A:And obviously, you know, when you have an H vac system, you need to be able to go from air conditioning into the heat part of the season.
Speaker A:So you want to be able to do that.
Speaker A:And Don's going to be able to get with us and tell us everything that we need to know to get your home ready for the winter season.
Speaker A:All that and more on this week's edition of Boxcar.
Speaker A:Your home for remodeling and renovating your world.
Speaker A:And we'd like to welcome all of you to Boxcar Universe this week as we start heading towards Thanksgiving and the cooler temperatures, as I said.
Speaker A:But you do have to worry about obviously staying warm.
Speaker A:And that's some of the things that you have to realize that it is getting cold.
Speaker A:And if you haven't had a chance to take care of the heat side of your.
Speaker A:Of your furnace or your system, you'd be able to.
Speaker A:Have to.
Speaker A:You need to be able to go back and take care of that One time, I know a person told me, you think about this.
Speaker A:You know, we try and get everybody to go and, and promote getting their HVA system checked twice a year, obviously once in the spring so that you can have hopefully a summer free coolness in your home.
Speaker A:But then on the other hand, when you get into the fall, you want to have it checked because there's certain controls and things that need to be changed so that you will generate heat.
Speaker A:And somebody told me that if you, it's like going, when you switch from cold to hot, it's like going down the freeway at 70 miles an hour and all of a sudden slamming in, into reverse when you turn around and make your system work to create heat.
Speaker A:So obviously that's going to be a tremendous taxing on your unit.
Speaker A:So we want to be able to make you aware of it.
Speaker A:And if there's some issues you need to take care of, then we want to help you with that.
Speaker A:But right now we want to introduce Don Wade from Pro Solutions Air.
Speaker A:Don, welcome to Boxcar Universe.
Speaker A:Thanks for being here.
Speaker B:Well, thank you for having me.
Speaker A:You know, really, really great to have you here and talk about some of the things that are going on with people's air conditioning and heating.
Speaker A:Why don't you give our listeners a little background on you and your company?
Speaker B:Well, I've been in the industry about 30 plus years.
Speaker B:Opened up a company 13 years ago and we've been going strong here in the Valley ever since.
Speaker B:We handle service maintenance down to new system replacements and new construction.
Speaker A:That's really good.
Speaker A:How, how did you find when you, when you started the business, did you, did you, I'm just curious, did you do any research?
Speaker A:I mean, because there seems to be so many companies in the Valley, obviously because of the intense heat that we have to endure during the summer.
Speaker A:Did you find that most of them were doing their job or did you find out that some of them were maybe not as good service wise?
Speaker A:And companies.
Speaker B:I work for many companies as far as that goes here in the Valley and what led me more to enter into opening my own business was, if you will, doing things different versus the way that they do things.
Speaker B:Because again, you can offer suggestively but ultimately it's their company, their direction.
Speaker B:So I just want a different thing for my customers and establish better relations and offer more for them.
Speaker A:Right, yeah, no, I agree.
Speaker A:As I remember when I started my business many years ago and it was like 30 plus years as well, that one of the reasons I did it was because I saw companies that were doing Shabby work, really, because they just, and they were all they were in for, it was for the money.
Speaker A:They weren't in there to build, you know, lifelong relationships with their customers.
Speaker A:So that this way, you know, you, you leave a customer happy with the work you do, they will call you back.
Speaker A:And I'm sure with your business, you probably, obviously your, you know, unit has to be serviced or should, I should say should be serviced every year.
Speaker A:And I know some people to just, you know, they don't have a clue on how to take care of their home, especially the things that need service.
Speaker B:Correct.
Speaker B:You run off into a lot of customers that don't pay attention to the system until it's needed for repairs.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker A:And then by that time it's too late and it's 120 outside.
Speaker B:Correct.
Speaker A:It's just, it's amazing.
Speaker A:But do you find that any of the, you know, with the work that you did with your customers, are they, I mean, first of all, let me ask you, do you cover the whole entire valley?
Speaker B:We cover the whole valley.
Speaker B:We also cover up north, down south.
Speaker A:Up north, down south.
Speaker B:So pretty much statewide, if it came down to it.
Speaker A:Okay, all right, so that's good.
Speaker A:And that's, that's so, so important because a lot of people here in the valley have, you know, summer homes, especially up north where it's cool.
Speaker A:So if you wind up having a good relationship and find a good company like yours here in the valley to take care of your H Vac work and I'm sure they're probably going to call you to go up north and make sure that their unit is just working just as well.
Speaker B:That's correct.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:But any preference on types of units that you, that you, you recommend?
Speaker A:I mean, as far as manufacturers or is it, or do you, you know, basically use all of them to be fair with them?
Speaker B:As far as older days, we were more familiar with brands.
Speaker B:I'm going to just state today, equipment for the most part is designed like for like.
Speaker B:And take it off into the higher sear or higher efficiency equipment.
Speaker B:Then you're starting to identify differently with the brands.
Speaker B:But ultimately I wouldn't be my side focused on just brand.
Speaker B:I'd be focusing on a higher seer, which you get a better bang for your dollar in the long run.
Speaker A:Right, right.
Speaker A:And I know a lot of people, they turn around, they, I, they have this conception of, I should say misconception of, you know, oh, I, maybe I need a replacement unit.
Speaker A:Maybe I should get a higher sear.
Speaker A:How do you, how do you treat that when you speak and deal with that when they talk to them?
Speaker A:Because I know when we, when we go do new home construction, they turn around and the whole system has to be.
Speaker A:You have to get a mechanical donor.
Speaker A:You need a system that will fit the.
Speaker A:The square footage and the configuration of your home.
Speaker A:How do you deal with somebody who's like thinking bigger is better?
Speaker B:Well, initially we actually take a quick block load of the home.
Speaker B:And with that block load, that would actually determine what the actual heat load is on the home and also the square footage of the home to the R value of the home.
Speaker B:And we take all that into consideration under the design aspect and bring that all together, which determines essentially what tonnage is, is the best suit for the house.
Speaker B: hether it is a house from the: Speaker B:As far as construction.
Speaker B:You're also looking at a lot of difference in terms of the efficiency in the envelope in itself.
Speaker B:So at that point there, the difference would be where you could put off in a higher seer, higher efficiency unit and get a return on that investment versus not so much with the lower R value.
Speaker A:Would you say like for instance, in a home where an older home, maybe when they were back in the day, when they used to build homes, where the placement of the air ducts, the supply vents, are not the way they are now, because most of the time now you go into newer homes, you know, they make sure that they have at least one supply vent near a door opening, especially with some of these newly higher vaulted ceilings.
Speaker A:I mean, would it pay for somebody to do.
Speaker A:When you do air balancing, would it pay to say, well, let's move the vent, or would it pay just to deal with it and maybe change the.
Speaker B:Sear in consideration the design, those that are actually designed from the 70s, moreover, especially here in the Phoenix area, where you have the older John of Long homes.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Where you have the soffits, homes like that were more designed for a blast furnace and swamp coolers.
Speaker B:And then, if you will, secondly, air conditioning started coming into play in the late 70s, early 80s with that design.
Speaker B:They also matured.
Speaker B:As far as the duct design.
Speaker B:The duct design for the John F. Long style drop soffits was more designed for higher airflow, swamp coolers.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Versus ours today with the ceiling cans, returns in the ceiling flex duct, things of that nature, you're looking at more of a static pressure design.
Speaker B:And with that you can get away with better airflow registers close to the, if you will, to the envelope or the exterior, which would be your air curtains.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:To save the heat coming in from the windows or door accesses and again become more efficient in terms of your design.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, that's why I always tell people, I said, you know, if you see commercial or hear a commercial on radio or television and you know, they're touting, you know, they're the best in the valley.
Speaker A:They're.
Speaker A:They know how to do this, they know do that, that it's.
Speaker A:Each home has to be treated individually.
Speaker A:And a good contractor like yourself will take all those things you just mentioned into consideration when designing the system or I should say upgrading the system into something that is better, efficient wise.
Speaker A:Because it's not just maybe the unit that needs to be done.
Speaker A:You may need, you know, additional insulation, you know, not only in the walls but in the ceiling.
Speaker A:I know when I built my home back in 07, I made sure that, I mean, I probably did some overkill.
Speaker A:I did.
Speaker A:I insulated under the roof between the rafters as well as I layered it on top of the drywall so I had a double layer of insulation.
Speaker A:But I think that was probably because, you know, I grew up back east.
Speaker A:I remember I tell this story all the time.
Speaker A:My dad used to take me up in the attic and show me different things that were going on when we were looking for stuff.
Speaker A:And I always used to see a piece of insulation had dropped down off the ceiling.
Speaker A:I said, why is that up here?
Speaker A:I said, and he told me why.
Speaker A:And then when I moved to Arizona, you know, I go up in the attic and there's nothing underneath the roof.
Speaker A:It's all on top of the drywall.
Speaker A:And I'm like, well, why?
Speaker A:And it's just, again, it's a building thing.
Speaker A:It's a.
Speaker A:And it's just cheaper to lay it on top of the drywall than put it up in the roof.
Speaker A:But now as we get more efficient with that, obviously to be able to do that is good.
Speaker A:But then do foam and you know, because like when we do new remodels and room in room additions that, you know, that's the one thing that we recommend in quote for is.
Speaker A:Is foam.
Speaker A:Because it's a better insulator.
Speaker B:Correct.
Speaker B:Closed cell foam is probably the top as far as if you're going to do an insulation, yes, that would be the best.
Speaker A:And it's, it's just, it's a little more expensive.
Speaker A:But in the long run you'll.
Speaker A:You'll save it in energy costs, which.
Speaker B:Also helps with leakage.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Or therefore, lack of.
Speaker A:Lack of.
Speaker A:Yeah, we'll keep the.
Speaker A:Yeah, especially.
Speaker A:You don't want to see that brown spot on top of your drywall.
Speaker A:That's not a good.
Speaker A:That's not a good sign.
Speaker A:But let's talk a little bit about, you know, going into fall and winter, you know, especially what.
Speaker A:What should.
Speaker A:Some preventative things that homeowners should be able to do.
Speaker B:So ultimately, when we're dealing with going from fall to the winter, we have to take into consideration that our system in itself utilizes the same blower, same controls, same returns.
Speaker B:And with that being stated, we need to make sure that we're clean.
Speaker B:Number one on natural returns.
Speaker B:Clean as far as the ductwork and clean as far as the system, meaning the blower assembly to the coil.
Speaker B:If we're not, we're creating airflow restrictions, which can have a play on airflow.
Speaker B:It has an airflow issue.
Speaker B:You can also damage motors, compressors, and have issues in itself that can cost more.
Speaker B:So maintenance is an important thing to actually have things checked, especially if you're dealing with a gas system, to make sure that you're properly starting up, you have the proper flame, and you don't have any type of leakage or anything that could actually jeopardize the safety of your environment.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And that's.
Speaker A:And that's important to be able to go back and be aware of those things.
Speaker A:Not saying that you're going to be able to, you know, no one, I should say no homeowner is going to be able to know all those things.
Speaker A:And obviously if there is something wrong to go make adjustments to get you ready for those things so it works efficiently.
Speaker A:But I think one of the things that I think people should do on a fairly regular basis is obviously change your filters.
Speaker A:And then there's always this question of, okay, well, which filters do I use?
Speaker A:And then there's always the battle of, well, I can go to get cheap filters.
Speaker A:I could change those pretty much every 30 days.
Speaker A:But then there was a time where everybody started making a denser filter to supposedly grab more dust.
Speaker A:And then all of a sudden they got.
Speaker A:They were too dense, and then they started making the units work harder.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So what you're looking for on a filter, as far as that goes, if you can maintain it within 30 days or under paying attention to it.
Speaker B:Of course, evidently the easiest way to do that is make it mnemonic electricity bill comes, change a filter, look at the filter, put a date on the filter.
Speaker B:But ultimately, when we're looking at filtration itself, a thinner filter, flat filter, little 1 inch filter, usually when it's that property, we get a little debris on it.
Speaker B:It bows.
Speaker B:Dirt goes around it.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Dirt goes around it.
Speaker B:It builds up on the blower, it builds up on the actual coil.
Speaker B:It causes you future issues.
Speaker B:Ultimately, the best filter that I would suggest would go off and do a higher MERV filter.
Speaker B:10, 11 to 16, 16 being the best.
Speaker B:Charcoal filters for odors, UV lights or in just in general, you can get the little 4 inch filters that you can actually put up into the actual return grills.
Speaker B:Just again, a lot more pleats, taller area, more square inches, you're going to get a lot longer life out of them as well as a lot more purification as far as your airflow.
Speaker A:You know, I remember when I built that custom home, I remember I had two train units and they had special filtration in the unit in the handler because I had to go.
Speaker A:I remember going.
Speaker A:Had to go up into the attic and be able to change those out, clean them and put them back in as well as the regular units like on the returns.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:The clean effects with the train again, them were static filters.
Speaker B:They were good for their era.
Speaker B:Today we have ones that are a lot quieter.
Speaker B:You're not going to get electrocuted when you actually pull the filters out of them if they're not turned off.
Speaker B:But you got many different styles.
Speaker B:Ultimately the best one that I recommend is again going off into the MERV 13 to MERV 16 filters.
Speaker B:With a median filter that's about 4 inches in height, covers a lot more area as well as it breaks down when you're looking at dirt, dust, particulates all the way down to microns one when you're getting up to 16 on a filter.
Speaker B:And so with that, that pretty much takes fine dust and it collects it.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean those things, those things are really important, especially when you get into, you know, dealing with your dust and your health issues, which is something else we're going to get back into as soon as we go into break.
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Speaker A:You're listening to Boxcar Universe and I am here with Dawn Wade and we are talking about indoor air quality and some of the things that his company, Pro Solutions Air, is very adamant about making sure that they take a look at this, especially when they come into your home.
Speaker A:But let's talk about that indoor air quality for a minute.
Speaker A:You're thinking about talking about filters.
Speaker A:Last segment, if they're, if the customers are really adamant about changing their filters, it's usually pretty good.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:I found even if somebody has done a remodel, then that's probably when, if a lot of care wasn't taken before they started and everything got dusty, the ducts are probably filthy.
Speaker A:Do you have people that actually will go out and do duct cleaning for you or people that you recommend?
Speaker B:Yeah, we actually do duct cleaning ourselves.
Speaker B:We have a, basically a high horsepower negative pressure system.
Speaker B:It's 20 horsepower as far as our back and it connects up to the main and we have pneumatic tools that go off all the way in the ductwork.
Speaker B:And suggestively, as far as if you're going to get your ducts cleaned, I would highly recommend that style of system versus, if you will, the little shop vac setups that a lot of these individuals are running around with or the carpet truck that's doing it.
Speaker A:It's like I tell people.
Speaker A:It's funny because I tell people like, don't let your, don't let your landscaper do your roofer just because he's got a roll of roofing on his truck.
Speaker B:No, we go in.
Speaker B:We're actually very thorough in what we do as far as our duct cleanings.
Speaker B:We remove all registers, clean all registers and go into the ductwork and clean and sanitize it with a biofresh treatment, which is essentially a organic cleaning disinfectant that gets fogged into the system, which helps with odors and bacteria.
Speaker B:But generally an easy process of seeing if your ducts need to be cleaned is look at your registers.
Speaker B:Do you have air dust on them?
Speaker B:As far as from the air, do you have, when you change out the return, get dust on that?
Speaker B:These are signs that you should get duct cleaning taken care of at least every 10 years.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And it's also a sign of maybe somebody should clean your vents so you could tell if they get dirty, except that they're probably ignoring them.
Speaker A:They saw they've been dirty, that's okay.
Speaker A:But you'd be amazed, especially here in the valley of the sun, what dust does and dirt does.
Speaker A:And it gets through the vents and stuff that you breathe every day.
Speaker A:And you don't even think about it because you assume that the air is clean.
Speaker A:But if anybody knows that during the summertime or anytime really throughout the year, if you see sun peeking through your blinds or something, or curtains, and you could see dust just like floating around in there, that's dust that you're breathing.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker A:I think it's something that people should need to be addressed because some people can't, you know, they need that extra layer of filtering because it's hard to breathe.
Speaker A:Especially, you know, some of those days that are like the no burn days that we get in the wintertime, but when the air is just like stagnant here in the valley and it doesn't go anywhere.
Speaker A:And that's when people find it hard to breathe, that have breathing difficulty.
Speaker B:Well, we have loose dirt around here, so we're very infamous for valley fever.
Speaker B:As far as what we get out here.
Speaker A:People got valley fever.
Speaker B:We have the dust that picks up as far as the haboobs, the monsoons.
Speaker B:And it is very important to make sure that you maintain a filtered system because otherwise, exactly what you stated, you're going to breathe that.
Speaker B:And if you breathe that, that can contaminate you as far as your lungs.
Speaker B:And so we need to play it cautiously as how we're living in our environment.
Speaker B:And if you don't like cleaning your furniture thoroughly every month, every week, etc.
Speaker B:Filtration is another way to go to actually keep them particulates drawn to the system, filtrating air and not landing on your furniture or into your lungs.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:And then obviously, besides doing your cleaning on a regular basis, that will definitely help you.
Speaker A:But again, the like you said, a telltale sign is, are your vents dirty?
Speaker A:Because then I'll tell you how, how much air is either on a, on a return, they could be Dirty.
Speaker A:That's where you see most of the dirt.
Speaker A:Though I have seen, you know, dirty supply filter supply vents where the dirt that's in the duct is coming out and it's leaving.
Speaker A:Basically you notice it because when it blows out, it'll leave a mark on your wall and it's a dark spot.
Speaker A:So it's things that you know.
Speaker A:Again, just being aware, and I can't stress that enough to all the listeners.
Speaker A:Be aware of what's going on in your home.
Speaker A:I always say walk around your home at least once a month.
Speaker A:See if there's anything out there, you know.
Speaker A:And one of the main culprits I always tell people look for are termite tracks, because you see those a lot.
Speaker A:But then on the other hand, too, on, you know, taking a look and see what's going on the inside of your home is important.
Speaker A:You may look for water stains on the ceiling.
Speaker A:Look at your dirty vents, you know, if you have any.
Speaker A:And those are things that you need to make sure that are up to speed.
Speaker A:If you are experiencing any health reasons and it is due to breathing, I would strongly suggest that you have, you know, prosolutions air.
Speaker A:And Don will have one of his technicians come by and review what your system is doing so that this way you have a better idea if you need to get your air tested to see what the particulates are in it.
Speaker A:Because if your breathing is that severe or lack of breathing is that severe, then I would strongly suggest that you go back and take a look at that whole entire system.
Speaker B:I recommend just in respects, if you're new to the home, have the home inspected.
Speaker B:As far as the system, the ductwork, all in the hole.
Speaker B:So therefore you're familiar with it at that point there you can be in a position of having a knowledge of when things were done, what the status of things are, and move forward with plans of getting things taken care of in the future or if you will, needed now.
Speaker B:The unknown is probably the worst way to be true.
Speaker A:True.
Speaker A:And I think it's important too, that people turn around in.
Speaker A:No matter what you do, if it's H vac service or unit replace, whatever it is that's being done to your home, keep a separate file or record of all the maintenance that it's done on it.
Speaker A:I remember when I used to be vehicle service manager for a major transportation company before I got into doing, you know, construction work and remodeling, where that was one of my jobs, to make sure that I kept track of what each vehicle's Maintenance was so that this way we knew if something goes wrong.
Speaker A:Well, this was done this year or this was done that year.
Speaker A:Well, yeah, you'd be able to keep track of what's done on your home also, possibly depending on what you're looking at.
Speaker A:Maybe the unit is underperforming and there's something wrong with it, but at least you have something to go back with.
Speaker A:You know, who put it in, see how long the warranty is, see if you can have them come out and look at the problem first, which is what I always recommend if you do have a warranty and then decide on which way you want to go from there.
Speaker B:All of our services are digital as far as that goes.
Speaker B:So we also keep all records.
Speaker B:Customers have access to them, we just email them over to them.
Speaker B:But everything for us is digital.
Speaker B:Everything that's done we take pictures of as well as the reports that are written.
Speaker B:Everything's all digital and kept in files with the customer's data.
Speaker A:Yeah, and that's good to have double backup.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:But let's talk a little bit about energy savings and some smart upgrades that homeowners can do and even business owners if they have a commercial facility.
Speaker B:Well, first off, I think thermostats are main assistance as far as energy savings.
Speaker B:Setting your schedule, thermostat temperatures, days of the week, them are important, actually help you save money.
Speaker B:Therefore you can actually work with the schedule of the on peak, off peak programs and subcooling homes, etc.
Speaker B:Other than that, take into consideration of keeping the system maintained, keeping the system's filters cleaned, that helps.
Speaker B:And then at the other side, rinsing the outside condensers when you're outside with a hose.
Speaker B:These are all things that can actually help the system run better and more efficient.
Speaker B:Beyond that, have knowledge as to what your insulation r value is in your attics.
Speaker B:A lot of the homes of the last 10 years and before have low insulation which ends up with a massive heat load on the house.
Speaker B:The system runs longer, cost you more to operate versus, if you will, just that investment of having insulation put into the attics.
Speaker B:So these are things that I would be looking at.
Speaker A:Yeah, those are again, the insulation is so vitally important up there because I remember, you know, my home inspector friend, he'd go up and in different attics and you know, in the summertime, you know, he tries to go up in the morning because in the afternoon it just gets to be unbearable.
Speaker A:But even times when he has gone up, he's got, you know, he says, Steven, it's 140 up here.
Speaker A:And it's like 140 degrees is the temperature that bedbugs die.
Speaker A:I mean, so it's got to be hot up there.
Speaker A:And we had a host that we did like that one day talking about the vents and stuff.
Speaker A:They actually were going up the wall through a vent, a supply duct, and out onto the ceiling.
Speaker A:It was, it was amazing how they did, why they did that, I don't know.
Speaker A:I don't know if they were in the duct work, but I think they, they went through the, through the duct and it was probably on the grill somewhere.
Speaker A:So who knows where they wound up when the air was blowing out.
Speaker A:But again, things that don't look normal, that's things you should be able to take care of.
Speaker A:What about homeowners that are like on the fence?
Speaker A:You know, maybe not due to finances, but you know, do I repair the unit or replace.
Speaker A:Replace it with a new one?
Speaker A:And how important is the new refrigerant playing into that?
Speaker A:And obviously some people, I know so many.
Speaker A:Who, who was it?
Speaker A:Somebody called me the other day and asked me where I could get R22, I think it was, and I was like, why don't you call your air conditioning guy and he'll be able to give you a better idea the systems.
Speaker B:Of today as far as the refrigerants and the changes.
Speaker B:I mean, for us it's norm.
Speaker B:Unfortunately it's an inconvenience for one part, but customers, due to the fact that the change.
Speaker B:But fair to say here, refrigerant itself doesn't matter whether it's our 22, 410A or 454.
Speaker B:Realistically on our end, it's all the same.
Speaker B:Okay, Fair to say it's just a matter of said equipment would have the said different refrigerants now moving forward on that as far as it goes.
Speaker B:When you're looking at the differences of should I repair, should I replace?
Speaker B:Our philosophy for us is you're looking at a ticket situation.
Speaker B:If you got a high dollar ticket on an older system.
Speaker B:Older system, comfortably 10 years, no warranty, 5 years, no warranty, compressors out.
Speaker B:We would be making a recommendation of here's the compressor cost with refrigerant, here's a system replacement cost.
Speaker B:Okay, Just to be fair with it, to give the customer the options as far as making that choice.
Speaker B:Now the difference between things in my side would be if you're doing a compressor replacement, you're ending up with, if you will, 60 day labor, one year compressor and then you could be back to square one thereafter for the same dollar, a little bit more with inflation or having a system replacement.
Speaker B:Then you have the warranties.
Speaker B:The warranties cover a lot of things, right?
Speaker A:I mean I think that that extra cost of getting a new unit is well worth it because you have a, you can't, I don't think you could put a price on peace of mind.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:And then today's, I mean just here in Phoenix where expectation wise, 10 to 12 years on a piece of equipment.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A: And then the: Speaker B:It does, yeah.
Speaker B:But with the market as far as equipment goes, the change of the refrigerants for this last summer was pretty sporadic as far as getting parts for the new systems.
Speaker B:But again it's, again, unfortunately as far as it goes, we have no control over this.
Speaker B:Manufacturer has that control.
Speaker B:With that being stated, we try to make it open minded choice for the customer, but ultimately we give the options.
Speaker A:Now is, is for all our listeners.
Speaker A:For instance, like with the different refrigerant types that you mentioned, are there any of them that are interchangeable between the upgrades or are they only indicative to the each particular unit?
Speaker B:The refrigerants, with the new refrigerants that are out, you have the different manufacturers.
Speaker B:There's two refrigerants that are out and selectively one manufacturer would have that refrigerant, another manufacturer would have the other refrigerant.
Speaker B:With the older refrigerant, the 410A that's still available in R22, fair to say is still available but essentially the cost goes up because of the supply and demand.
Speaker A:Exactly, exactly.
Speaker A:But you couldn't use R22 in a new system.
Speaker B:You cannot use R A22 in a new system.
Speaker B:It wouldn't work with the seals if you would.
Speaker B:Oh it burn them up, huh.
Speaker A:So these are things that people need to know about again having, you know, we'll call it the manual for your unit.
Speaker A:And what it takes is the same thing that you have when you have your car.
Speaker A:You know, if, if you take synthetic oil that you can't put, you can't put regular old oil, it's not synthetic.
Speaker A:I mean you could, I don't know how long your car would last for.
Speaker A:But it's the same thing too with your AC unit.
Speaker A:One of the things that I know that you are working with our good friend Susan the shed gal, is mini splits.
Speaker A:Tell our listeners a little bit about mini slip.
Speaker A:Mini slip.
Speaker A:Mini splits.
Speaker A:It's a hard word.
Speaker A:Say that three times fast Mini splits.
Speaker B:Are good for an environment that's, if you will, a man cave.
Speaker B:She shed.
Speaker B:So with Susan, as far as that goes, she does sheds.
Speaker B:And so installing a shed in your backyard that you can actually have a little shop out of, and installing a mini split into something of that nature there, it's an excellent way to get air into there heating and cooling, as well as taking into consideration the garage.
Speaker B:Same thing.
Speaker B:So therefore you're not going out into a garage that's blasting or an Arizona room.
Speaker B:So mini splits are very universal as far as that goes for quick applications.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And also they can be used in addition to.
Speaker A:If you have any traditional, you know, air conditioning units with ductwork and vents and everything like that.
Speaker A:Because I was in home the other day that I think they.
Speaker A:What they probably did was the.
Speaker A:The airflow and the cooling wasn't sufficient enough and the room was fairly large.
Speaker A:But they.
Speaker A:I also noticed that they had a mini split in the room.
Speaker A:So I think they complemented their initial air conditioning system with a mini split just probably because the room got too.
Speaker B:Hot or you get situations where you have little populations of people coming in versus it's not made for that environment.
Speaker B:So if you have guests coming over to your house, your house, standard leads designed.
Speaker A:You mean all the people that come down for holidays.
Speaker B:So that helps.
Speaker A:Yes, that does help.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:And again, I know looking at pretty much all the container homes that are used, they have mini splits in them.
Speaker A:And also it doesn't need to be one mini split per room.
Speaker A:They do have mini splits that could be centrally located in a container home.
Speaker A:And where you get three or four ducts that can split off from that one particular unit to cool the entire, you know, duct the container.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You have a fuel mini splits that have a single outside section as far as the outside condensing unit, and then you have multiple heads on the inside.
Speaker B:So you have basically what's construed as a zone system.
Speaker B:So you can take an area to where you have three rooms and you can have three separate heads and supply and work each individual one individually.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:And that and that.
Speaker A:And it works out well because we, especially with containers, it's.
Speaker A:It's a space thing because you don't have a whole lot of space to be able to do it, especially for, you know, you've got maybe almost 9ft of space, depending on what you put on there.
Speaker A:Because if you get a high cube container, you do have, I think, about 6 to 8 inches where you could have above the drywall, but underneath the top of the, the container.
Speaker A:So you could run electric lines and, and, or ductwork that you need to run between the rooms.
Speaker A:So that definitely helps.
Speaker A:But thinking about those and again one of the other things that people are really excited about are doing a lot are ADUs, traditional built ones as well as smaller container ADUs.
Speaker A:And that basically works the same way where you put something in your backyard like Susan can offer and you could put, you could put a mini split in.
Speaker A:The one thing that I like that we worked on with Susan's office area is where I, I found a gentleman that we work with who actually does solar.
Speaker A:So all of her power at her, her, her site is solar generated.
Speaker A:And it ran the mini splits, it ran the computers, it ran the lighting and everything else.
Speaker A:So I mean I think it did a pretty fantastic job.
Speaker A:It could even ran.
Speaker A:We were planning on having a model container home there but we couldn't get the logistics done right.
Speaker A:But it would have provided power for all of that.
Speaker A:But I think the mini split is definitely a viable option that you can have to put in to your home and I think people should consider it.
Speaker A:And we're going to get into a couple of more things before we wind up the show today.
Speaker A:We want to talk about a little bit about warranties and the things that you need to know obviously for peace of mind and obviously the contact information for, for Don's great company.
Speaker A:So this way, if you are in the market for a new H vac company, Don is the gentleman to call.
Speaker A:So I want everybody hang tight and we'll be right back.
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Speaker A:And we're here today with Dawn Wade from Pro Solutions Air.
Speaker A:And we've been talking about obviously air conditioning, heating, getting your home ready for the fall, winter season and some other alternative options to get, you know, air into your home, especially if you're cool.
Speaker A:I remember, you know, Dawn, I, when I built my custom home, I had a, a detached garage where half was garage, half was shop.
Speaker A:And the mini split I had in there was just, I mean, it was about 750 square feet and it just, it worked great.
Speaker A:It just kept it cool.
Speaker A:You know, you're a, it did, we were able to in the wintertime have it, you know, blow heat.
Speaker A:So it was, it was all good.
Speaker A:So I, I can't talk enough about that.
Speaker A:If you have small areas that you want to complement with, you know, heat or air conditioning, depending on what you need that time of the year, then yeah, definitely mini splits are gonna, is a way to go.
Speaker A:Speaking of mini splits, tell our listeners a little bit about our friend Susan the shed gal and her raffle and the mini split.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Susan and Pro Solutions there are teamed up to actually offer a mini split as far as installed.
Speaker B:You have to reach out to Susan as far as Shed Gal and get into the raffle for it.
Speaker B:Again, it is a mini split for space that would cool it off, heat it up, and we would provide the installation.
Speaker A:That's great.
Speaker A:And then obviously the best way to do that is stop by their lot, which is over on 99th Avenue and Thomas, stop by over there.
Speaker A:And that's the place where you could also see our model container pool along with all the other great shed models that Susan has over there.
Speaker A:And I will say, once you meet Susan and see the type of business she has and the.
Speaker A:And the different things that she offers on her life in the way of sheds and metal buildings, obviously container pools and stuff like that.
Speaker A:Don, I would have to say that.
Speaker A:Wouldn't you agree that she is just an unforgettable lady?
Speaker B:She is very, very good personality.
Speaker A:Yes, absolutely.
Speaker A:She's outgoing and she's got, for those of you throughout the country, she does have shed lots in other parts of the country.
Speaker A:So if you look up Shed Gal online, you'll be able to find all the other lots that she has around the country, not just here in the Phoenix metro area.
Speaker A:But let's talk a little bit about warranties.
Speaker A:I know, we got it.
Speaker A:We talked a little bit about that during the break between manufacturer's warranty and workmanship warranty and how homeowners sometimes get that confused and think they're all one in the same.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So manufacturer in itself, warranty covers essentially the parts on the equipment.
Speaker B:Doesn't cover the equipment as far as panels, doesn't cover the equipment as far as the structure, just covers the said components.
Speaker B:With that being stated, you still have to have them swapped out, still have to have the system diagnosed.
Speaker B:And if you will, still have to obtain the parts when that comes into play, there's labor involved.
Speaker B:If you don't have a labor warranty, that's going to be an added expense to the customer.
Speaker B:Fair to say here a lot of systems that are sold, they don't have the labor warranty, they just have the manufacturer warranty.
Speaker B:Older systems was five years unregistered, registered gave it a 10 year.
Speaker B:Today's system gives it a 10 year on all parts and compressor coils as long as everything is installed by a licensed contractor.
Speaker B:And with us we extend that out farther.
Speaker B:For the customers.
Speaker B:The customer that purchased the system, Upper Sear, we give a 15 year warranty on parts, compressor labor, and annual maintenance with deductibles on the service of $125 and $40 for the annual maintenance.
Speaker B:With that provided, it is the customer's responsibility to change your filters to keep the system up to specs.
Speaker B:Otherwise you'll have costs for cleanings that are unexpected.
Speaker B:When you're not taking care of the system on your end, Our end, we'll come in, we will service the system.
Speaker B:We'll check everything.
Speaker B:If the part needs to be replaced, we will take care of all the paperwork, take care of the factory warranty.
Speaker B:It gets you taken care of solid.
Speaker A:Do you find that or do you, I should say, do you work with any investors that need new units for their flips?
Speaker B:We have worked with them as far as that goes.
Speaker B:System replacements on them, I'm sure they're probably looking for.
Speaker A:Obviously everybody wants to get the best buy.
Speaker A:But, but are, do the.
Speaker A:Do you ever find that people have come up and said, well, you know, I have a unit, can you install it?
Speaker B:Yeah, we actually do that.
Speaker B:Fair to say here, we'll install the equipment just like it was our own.
Speaker A:So, but.
Speaker A:And all you'll get is the workmanship, warranty.
Speaker A:Obviously there won't be any manufacturer's warranty.
Speaker B:You can purchase a warranty on it.
Speaker B:As far as it goes, we'll check the equipment as far as the model serial number, verify the systems, what the warranty is on it.
Speaker B:If it's a new system, we'll also offer you the same thing we'll offer you if it's a basic system, meaning a lower seer, we'll offer you a 10 year warranty, 10 years parts, 10 years compressor, 10 years annual maintenance, 10 years labor.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, again, knowing what you're getting or what you have is so, is so important.
Speaker A:How does, how does someone who is a novice understand when people talk SEER ratings for H vac units.
Speaker B:SEER rating is essentially your energy, seasonal energy efficiency rating.
Speaker B:How you actually rate the system.
Speaker B:Just like you would on a, a car.
Speaker B:From a, a low end car, base model to a high end, if you will, car the same way with the sear, the lower the sear base model, higher the sear.
Speaker B:Horns, bells and whistles.
Speaker B:And you're gonna be more efficient as far as that goes.
Speaker B:But evidently, just like a car, higher the sear, the higher the costs.
Speaker A:Sure, absolutely.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And that, and that's, that's just basic economics.
Speaker B:So when you're looking at equipment today, right now you're looking at a single Stage system, which is what we consider to the base unit builder grade, staging it up.
Speaker B:You're going off to a two stage system, getting to the high of the high or if you will, the cream of the crop.
Speaker B:You're getting off into a inverter system which is a full communicating system which is top of the line.
Speaker B:So when you're looking at just in general, as the time flies here, single stage equipment's pretty much becoming obsolete.
Speaker B:It's going to be gone here in the next couple years.
Speaker B:Two stage systems are being phased out and everything is going to essentially be variable speed and communicating.
Speaker A:You know, again, as, as our, as our technology increases in the way we're taking a look at everything.
Speaker A:I mean it's, it's important that people obviously have to like we always say, like with computers you have to go with the times.
Speaker A:You know, people turn around saying, well, you know, I love AI but now the other people are saying like, why do we need it?
Speaker A:I said, because if you don't get used to it, like even with remodeling, if I don't stay up to speed on different things and different products that come out and a better way to do things more efficiently and the products better than the one that was done 20 years ago, if I got stuck in the past, I would, I would, I wouldn't have any customers.
Speaker A:Because people are, not only do they, they want to know what's out there that's new, but they kind of demand it.
Speaker A:When you think about it, they don't want, they don't want to waste their money on a unit that's 20 years old, you know, or, and that goes with anything.
Speaker A:You know, I, you know, I think like, you know, computers have gotten up now with, like, with Windows, Windows stop providing updates because October 15th and now they want everybody to switch over to Windows 11.
Speaker A:Now if you have a computer that maybe is, if you're stuck in a stone agent on Windows 7, well, they're probably going to tell you you better get a new computer because it's just too, it's just too old.
Speaker A:I mean, you know, when those things go bad, they go bad.
Speaker A:And if you don't stay up with the, the technology of it, it's, it's not going to work.
Speaker A:Not to mention like with air conditioning you have those, those higher seer units that have better communication.
Speaker A:You wanted to have a, you want to create or either in a remodel or a new build a smart home.
Speaker A:Those are one of the things that you want to be able to do.
Speaker A:Because, you know, maybe you're gone all day long or maybe you're on a vacation and maybe during the day you don't need it to be set as low as you do when you come home at night.
Speaker A:Well, a smart home can actually make that.
Speaker A:You could have your air conditioning kick on before you get home.
Speaker A:I mean, and this is something that it makes life convenient.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You have systems that, if you will, Siri can make the adjustment for you, Alexa can make the adjustment for you with the smart home investments.
Speaker B:Something also taking consideration with systems in general, with all the construction that's going on around here, we have all these new homes.
Speaker B:If your system's within two years, we can help you out with getting a labor warranty on it.
Speaker B:Be fair with it doesn't matter what the system's older, system's new, it's evident it's going to fail.
Speaker B:There's going to be parts that are going to fail, parts that ain't lifetime.
Speaker B:And with that, it'd be safer to have a labor warranty than not to have one, especially with the cost of things today.
Speaker B:So if you have a system that's again, two years of age thereabouts, we can get you a labor warranty to help you out and a maintenance warranty.
Speaker A:Now, talking about warranties for a minute, if somebody has a whole house home warranty, does that usually cover the H vac system?
Speaker B:Depends on what their warranty is as far as it goes.
Speaker B:That would be solely to the purchase of, if you will, a home warranty that you had actually purchased.
Speaker B:And going off that route there, taking into consideration, I'm gonna be fair with.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker B:They'Re not an insurance company, they're a quick home warranty company.
Speaker B:And realistically speaking, bottom side benefit to have it.
Speaker B:But in most cases, their object is to make the dollar, not to give it away.
Speaker A:Right, True.
Speaker A:That's why I think a lot of realtors give that away as a, as an entry.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:As a freebie to the buyer.
Speaker A: when I bought my home back in: Speaker A:I'm like, oh, that's great.
Speaker A:Now whether you use it or not is another story.
Speaker A:But you know, and what does it cover again?
Speaker A:Free is good, but what does it cover?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:And just again, being fair with it, when you get in a situation like that, you're going to end up with a lot of band aids from home warranties.
Speaker B:And then you can also a lot of your home warranty service providers are Sending out, if you will, their newer techs that go out there and try to dial things in or repair things or replace things.
Speaker B:And unfortunately that puts a lot of hands in a mix up into your equipment and just not something that's highly liked as far as that goes because that leads to future issues.
Speaker B:But ultimately, again, better to have something versus nothing.
Speaker A:That's true.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:That's true.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And obviously, you know, and, and obviously you see that on TV all the time with these car warranty companies.
Speaker A:You know, it's it and you just don't know because you never know what's going to go wrong and you never want it to go bad.
Speaker A:When it's 120 outside.
Speaker B:We deal with the home warranties as well as far as as a contractor, respectfully, bottom decisions, the home warranty, they have the call, we work for them.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So something to think about.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker A:That's true.
Speaker A:Dawn, why don't you tell our listeners how they can contact you here in the Valley.
Speaker B: utions air conditioning, it's: Speaker B: -: Speaker A:And yeah, and that's all great information.
Speaker A:So if you're thinking about it, I mean we're just here in November, especially here in, in down in the Phoenix area, temperature is still pretty moderate.
Speaker A:Kind of like one of the reasons that we, we live here in Arizona because this is a time of season where, you know, we're still walking around in T shirts.
Speaker A:Meanwhile people in Chicago or got their tundra clothes out.
Speaker A:But you know, in, even in Northern Arizona, it's, it's gotten down, it's gotten down pretty chilly up in Prescott and Flagstaff.
Speaker A:So if you are listening in those areas, make sure you contact Don and he'll be able to, you know, get your system, tell you, give you a great evaluation and then tell you exactly what you need so that this way you can get through the winter comfortably, especially now that we're coming into holidays.
Speaker A:And yeah, I mean nobody wants a cold house with a warm turkey.
Speaker A:They just want to be able to be comfortable with your friends and family.
Speaker A:So make sure that you contact on.
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