Episode 114
Transforming Backyards: The ADU Revolution
ADU Mania is at the forefront of revolutionizing outdoor spaces, transforming backyards into innovative living environments. This episode delves into the intricacies of accessory dwelling units (ADUs), focusing on their design, functionality, and the significant value they can add to properties. We engage with Ed Reyes from Backyard Living ADU, who shares invaluable insights on the space-saving innovations and modern comforts of these structures, particularly in Arizona. As we navigate the complexities of zoning laws and permitting processes, we emphasize the necessity of adhering to legal guidelines to ensure a seamless construction experience. Join us as we explore the myriad possibilities of ADUs, offering a pathway to enhanced living arrangements and sustainable lifestyles.
ADU Mania is revolutionizing the concept of living spaces by transforming backyards into functional and stylish additional dwelling units (ADUs). The discussion centers around the innovative designs and modern comforts that are captivating homeowners across Arizona. Notably, the podcast dives into the advantages of ADUs, highlighting their versatility as guest homes, rental units, or private retreats. As the conversation unfolds, the importance of understanding zoning laws and obtaining necessary permits is emphasized. The hosts, alongside Ed Reyes from Backyard Living ADU, explore the various size specifications and regulations involved in constructing ADUs, ultimately guiding listeners towards making informed decisions that enhance their property value while contributing to a sustainable lifestyle. The episode serves not just as an informative session but also as a catalyst for homeowners to explore the potential of their properties and embrace the future of home design.
Takeaways:
- ADU Mania is revolutionizing outdoor spaces nationwide by transforming backyards into innovative living environments.
- The podcast delves into the intricacies of accessory dwelling units, emphasizing their growing popularity in urban settings.
- Sustainability is a central theme, urging listeners to consider eco-friendly living options for their homes.
- The necessity of obtaining proper permits is highlighted, as failing to do so can lead to significant legal complications.
- The design and build process for ADUs is discussed in detail, stressing the importance of professional guidance throughout the project.
- The episode concludes with an invitation to attend a home and garden show, where listeners can gain further insights into ADU planning.
Links referenced in this episode:
Companies mentioned in this episode:
- Backyard Living ADU
- Vrbo
- Ideal Home Improvement, LLC.
- Legacy Custom Homes AZ
- Stardust Building Supplies
- I Foam
- Mr. Electric
Transcript
From coast to coast, Adumania is transforming backyards into bold new living spaces.
Speaker A:In part two of our exclusive with Backyard Living adu, we reveal the space saving secrets and modern comforts turning heads in Arizona.
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Speaker A:Hi, I'm Steve Dubell, host of Boxcar Universe.
Speaker A:And here's what's coming up on this week's edition of Boxcar Universe.
Speaker A:We're going to have part two of our interview with Ed Reyes from Backyard Living adu.
Speaker A:And if you missed our first part, they turned backyards into functional, stylish living spaces.
Speaker A:Now, whether you need a guest home, a rental unit, or even a private retreat, it's you that are interested in adding value to your property and adding spaces to your family or have a rental.
Speaker A:Vrbo Backyard Living ADU is your answer.
Speaker A:All that and more on this week's edition of Boxcar Universe, your home for remodeling and renovating your world.
Speaker A:And we'd like to welcome all of our guests and our listeners today to Boxcar Universe.
Speaker A:And my good friend Ed Reyes from Backyard Living ADU is here again and we're going to be getting into some more specific information if you were interested in our first part one, talking about ADUs and what they are.
Speaker A:And for those of you who don't know what an ADU is, I'm going to introduce Ed right now and we're gonna.
Speaker A:He's gonna tell you exactly what they are and give us a little review of what we talked about in part one.
Speaker A:Ed, welcome to Boxcar Universe again.
Speaker B:Oh, thank you, Steve.
Speaker B:To inviting me again and I'm glad to be here.
Speaker A:Good.
Speaker A:All right, so tell our listeners again for the, for, for the novices out there, what is an adu?
Speaker B:An ADU casita additional dwelling unit is an additional livable space added to a single family residence in the state of Arizona.
Speaker B:It requires a specific set of rules depending on the area or the jurisdiction of the property.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So if you are interested in putting an extra unit on to your home or adding one that's separate it depends on exactly what your particular circumstances are.
Speaker A:Ed is the person to give, to give a call to because he is actually the designer of some of these different units.
Speaker A:Now tell our listeners again about what size units do you design?
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:You can now build an additional dwelling unit, Casita Adu, who is basically the same thing in two different languages, an extra addition.
Speaker B:What do we call addition or livable space?
Speaker B:Built from the scratch or modifying an existing space and, and your property, add it to the house or detachable if it's possible.
Speaker A:Okay, now let's get into a little bit about because we've had some questions from our listeners and I want to get into some of these because we touched base in part one about this.
Speaker A:Let's talk about zoning and permits because obviously, you know, a lot of homeowners out there, you know, I think when they hear whether, especially when they talk about remodeling and they hear that word permit, I don't know, you know, they're ready to spend thousands of dollars on like an addition.
Speaker A:But when you mention that word permit, I think they, it's like deer in the headlights.
Speaker A:They turn around like, oh my God, can we do it without a permit?
Speaker A:No, you can't do it.
Speaker A:And it's not like you're spending thousands more.
Speaker A:I mean, it's a fraction of what the total cost of the build is.
Speaker A:And obviously to stay square, we'll call it with the city, you have to make sure that you have a permit.
Speaker A:You've got to go through inspections, you've get it green tagged when it's all done.
Speaker A:So this way, you know, if you ever sell your house and the realtor goes back in and says any checks, everything, you don't want to wind up with an addition on your house that isn't listed with the city because then they're going to come after you for back taxes, for starters, okay?
Speaker A:And they're going to say either you got to go back and get it, go back and jump through all these hoops to get them permitted so that you can do it, or the next best thing to do it.
Speaker A:I'm sure nobody wants to do this.
Speaker A:If you put a 70, 80, $90,000 addition on your Edu, on your House is tear it down.
Speaker A:So it pays to do it the right way the first time.
Speaker B:Well, you know, if you want to add value to your property, the best way to do it is just do it right from the beginning.
Speaker B:Hire the professionals who understand the system and the ways what get it done appropriately.
Speaker B:But to answer your questions related to.
Speaker B:Okay, so it is feasible to do it without a permit?
Speaker B:No, no it's not.
Speaker B:Especially if it's going to be a livable space.
Speaker B:The only structure in your property, you can put it without a permit.
Speaker B:And I just want to make that clear to anybody who's hearing this is a wood shed or a metal shed selling in Home Depot or Lowe's.
Speaker B:And it has to be less in 200 square footage.
Speaker B:Any structure built for a storage and I want to make that clear.
Speaker B:A storage.
Speaker B:Non livable, non livable without utilities means electricity, gas, Internet, whatever you just want to do there.
Speaker B:Can put it without a permit is under 200 square footage.
Speaker B:You make it a 201.
Speaker B:206 inches.
Speaker B:200ft, 6 inches.
Speaker B:You need a permit.
Speaker B:Under 200 you don't need a permit.
Speaker B:And it has to be specified.
Speaker B:Let's just think for a second, you know, you know what my prop.
Speaker B:I buy this property and I have 20 by 15 shed when I use it for storage in the back.
Speaker B:Can I convert that in a livable adu?
Speaker B:Yes, but you need a permit, right?
Speaker B:For the simple reason.
Speaker B:For the simple reason you have a 200 square foot shed in the back of your property and you want to make it livable for you want to put an office or whatever and you want to add utilities, you need a permit automatically.
Speaker B:And as besides to put the permit you will need to put some type of conditions to, you know, anchor to the ground probably you will have to, you know, extend some plumbing and all that kind of thing is required permits.
Speaker B:I will not advise to anyone.
Speaker B:I've been in a situation where the customer says oh, you know, one minute instead to do it all legal, let's just do it illegal.
Speaker B:No, no, because you know the consequence to do that.
Speaker B:It can be legal in a long short.
Speaker B:You get a violation, you have X amount of time to get it done.
Speaker B:That violation came with fines.
Speaker B:And if you forget about it and I would say in six months you'll be in court with a $2,150 daily charge from the city.
Speaker A:Yeah, you don't want to get caught.
Speaker B:No, at all.
Speaker B:It's not good doing it right.
Speaker A:You got to do it right.
Speaker A:And, and again to be able to do that, to get the permit, okay, you need, you need some kind of site plan, obviously.
Speaker A:And if you are going to do something with like the units you use, you need to have besides a floor plan.
Speaker A:You have to have a foundation plan, because you can't unless you have a slab with turndowns all the way around, depending on what the code says it should be, which I think is like.
Speaker B:18 inches on turn downs, usually, you know, regular foundation, a typical foundation is 12 by 12 plus 6 inches height for the slab on top of the, you know, like coming up from the ground.
Speaker B:I will say, you know, typical process in any city or jurisdiction in the state of Arizona is, is you need to provide a site plan showing what is existing and where it's going to be put, the new ADU or the new livable structure.
Speaker B:Then when you get the approval of the site plan, usually it's like a stamp saying, oh, yeah, you're okay with it.
Speaker B:With the setbacks and everything, you just put together a simple set of architectural drawings with mechanical, plumbing, electrical and structural basic.
Speaker B:And you just present that.
Speaker B:And if you comply with every single rule added to these type of situations, you get the permit.
Speaker B:And then the city of Phoenix, you know, usually the process is very simple in most of the jurisdictions, too.
Speaker B:The only thing is complicated when, like properties get, you know, like historical, or you are converting something like I would say carport to livable or garage to livable or detached garage to livable, or you divided the house in two and you're just putting an extra kitchen and just get a little more.
Speaker B:Not complicated, but a little more complex.
Speaker B:But those situations can be fixed if the person you hire is a professional, number one.
Speaker B:Number two, understand the solutions and the system in order to apply for it.
Speaker B:Because everybody can apply for a permit.
Speaker B:It's just you get complicated with the questions from the plan's examination or the inspections came.
Speaker B:If you don't have an answer.
Speaker B:That's really difficult sometimes.
Speaker B:But, you know, in my experience as a professional designer and plants examiner, everything has a solution.
Speaker B:If you just understand what you're just doing.
Speaker B:And in order to understand what I'm doing to explain it to the people who's going to help me, I have to have a clear mind to understand what it's getting into.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:And then some of the other things you got to worry about besides the city is, you know, the wonderful HOAs around here, which is just like another entity in itself.
Speaker B:Yes, we love to work with hoas.
Speaker A:People that have no life.
Speaker B:Well, you Know, I think HOA has a meaning in specific property types, but usually in properties with HOA jurisdiction, you have to deal with the HOA first and then the HOA will decide how big, how high and how beautiful or complicated it's going to be.
Speaker B:Usually you just present, I would say, a presentation to the HOA architecture committee, if we can call them that.
Speaker B:And as soon as you get the approved, you get a letter in.
Speaker B:In some city jurisdictions, the HOA is, are being registered.
Speaker B:So in order to the city can look your drawings or provide you with a permit, they need an approval from the hoa.
Speaker B:I'm not going to lie, I'm not going to exaggerate it.
Speaker B:Sometimes it's a little difficult to deal with the hoa.
Speaker A:No, you're kidding.
Speaker B:But I think if you just have an understandable line of communication with them and explaining, very simple.
Speaker B:Because remember, not all the HOA have the ability to hire an architect full time for reviews.
Speaker B:Any project from just adding a window or putting a cover party in the back.
Speaker B:And you know, HOA can be difficult if you just don't know what you're doing right.
Speaker A:And it's something really that, you know, I kid a lot about it because I've gone through a lot of these different scenarios with remodels and stuff in hoas.
Speaker A:But again, you want to be able to put your best foot forward because you don't want to, you know, you don't want them giving you a hassle once you start building, if you get that far.
Speaker A:So you wanted to do it the right way the first time again with them and then also with the city.
Speaker A:And then once you get that started, then you just follow your plans.
Speaker B:Yeah, you know, HOAs have their own rules and I'm pretty sure the person who write it or create it understand the basic concept of the architecture and permitting procedures.
Speaker B:I think, you know, if you chose.
Speaker B:Communications is essential in any project.
Speaker B:And anything you do in life, if you do not have a good line of communications with the HOA and the owner, whatever the owner is trying to do and communicate to the HoA is different to what you say as a professional designer or the person in charge of the project.
Speaker B:That can be difficult.
Speaker B:But usually in my case, I always ask to allow Mitches to have a line of communication directly with him or with the HOA in order to understand what they want.
Speaker B:Sometimes this is just a simple thing.
Speaker B:Make a letter saying what color, what materials and all that.
Speaker B:And some other ones require a complete set of drawings or a presentation in color rendering in order just to say, oh yeah, that's just perfect.
Speaker B:You know, we approve it and here's your letter and good luck.
Speaker A:Yeah, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker A:All right, we're going to take a short break.
Speaker A:When we come back, we're going to have more discussions with Ed, talking a little bit about the design, build process and obviously what your ROI might be if you are going to be renting it out.
Speaker A:And that's something that a lot of people are doing because they're looking for another stream of income.
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Speaker A: -: Speaker A:All right, we are back and you're listening to Boxcar Universe and we are here with Ed Reyes From Backyard Living Adu Part 2.
Speaker A:As we said earlier in our first segment, and I want to make a little announcement too, because if you're really interested and want to get down to the nitty gritty and speak to Ed and his staff and yours truly will be there as well.
Speaker A:The Maricopa County Home and Garden show is going to be at State Farm Stadium where the Cardinals play.
Speaker A:It's going to be on July 11th, 12th and 13th and backyard Adu will have a booth there.
Speaker A:So I encourage all of you to come out and we'll make another announcement next week to make sure that for those of you who have missed it, plus we'll do some social media posting as well.
Speaker A:So make sure you come out.
Speaker A:And if you get this real firsthand scoop from Ed and talking about what your particular situation is, what you'd like to build, where you would like to build and it's going to be a good time.
Speaker A:It'll be a great, great learning experience.
Speaker A:And we want to thank you all for listening to these segments with Ed because they are informative and it's something that people are doing.
Speaker A:And I know Ed earlier you mentioned, you know, anything below, you know, less than 200 square feet is, you know, open game from any of the big box stores.
Speaker A:But and also one of our other favorite friends of the show is the shed gal is over on 99th Avenue and Thomas over in that area and she's got, she's got all kinds of different sheds, shapes and sizes that you could get even better quality and get at the big box stores.
Speaker A:So those are things and people have asked me, you know, hey, can I convert this like you said?
Speaker A:Yeah, but you need a permit.
Speaker A:And then the other thing is you don't know if the shed where it's sitting is going to qualify and be within your setbacks because a lot of people put sheds like right up against the wall, so close, within a foot.
Speaker A:I mean most times you can have at least depending on what side of the property is on, you can have at least 3ft, 5ft.
Speaker A:So you gotta, you just got, you just gotta be careful.
Speaker A:So you gotta do your due diligence and make sure, write down your questions and make plans to come out.
Speaker A:I believe their hours are 10am to 5pm all three days.
Speaker A:So make sure you come out and see Backyard Living adu.
Speaker A:So Ed, let's get back, excuse me, let's get back to our discussion about design and build process.
Speaker A:Why don't you describe for our listeners a little bit about how that whole process works.
Speaker B:Well, usually, you know, when somebody is contact us and requesting, you know, like a proposal or an idea or a site visit, we look for three things.
Speaker B:One Number one is accessibility to the backyard.
Speaker B:Number two is if he has sewer or is an existing a.
Speaker B:I lost that.
Speaker B:If you have, you know, like a tank or something for sewer or something in your back.
Speaker B:Number three is you know the conditions of the property and the conditions of the existing building.
Speaker B:We have to take in consideration this.
Speaker B:If you're in the past in your existing property, in the existing building, you make something without a permit, you need to correct it at the time you are building or getting access to an adu.
Speaker B:The city is not interest in any way, shape or form.
Speaker B:And let me repeat this, the city is not interest and complicate your life because you have something illegal in your property.
Speaker B:The city will work with you in order to make sure you know, you have everything relied and everything correct and everything legal.
Speaker B:Because at the end of the day, any conditions, any livable conditions, if it fails, can hurt or kill somebody.
Speaker B:And that the consequence of that can be in a long term legal.
Speaker B:And you don't need that.
Speaker B:And besides that, remember, everything in your property is according to code in legal.
Speaker B:Build can will increase the value of your property.
Speaker B:Yeah, we'll pay a little more taxes, but come on, you know, look at it up.
Speaker B:You're gonna.
Speaker B:You prefer to have 1,000 square footage legal and another 6,000 illegal.
Speaker B:That will complicate.
Speaker A:That's not gonna work.
Speaker B:That's not gonna work.
Speaker B:So it's just for peace of mind.
Speaker B:If you have something and you want to fix it, just do the right thing.
Speaker B:Do everything by the book.
Speaker B:Hire the right people.
Speaker B:Ask how I mentioned in our previous conversation.
Speaker B:Ask all the questions you have or you have or you think.
Speaker B:Because one of the questions will give you the 100% reality to say, oh, you know what, yes, I can do it or not.
Speaker B:I cannot do it in a real professional and understand the an understandable person who is in the business who is willing to help.
Speaker B:You will answer all your questions without any issues.
Speaker B:Logically, if you just get something like, well, you know, I don't know, let me see that run away.
Speaker B:Because two things can happen.
Speaker B:Are you wasting your time or you're going to lose your time and your money?
Speaker B:You know, professionals will have a complete understanding.
Speaker B:They will not meet with you in a Starbucks or McDonald's.
Speaker B:They will have an office.
Speaker B:And like everything else, you make an appointment.
Speaker B:You make an appointment, you will see and as you know, check the name of the company, see if it's legal.
Speaker B:And when, I mean legal is not legal status of the person.
Speaker B:I mean, you know, legal in the State because if you're legal in the state means you will have insurance.
Speaker B:And this is something, you know, important.
Speaker B:A lot of people say, well, you know, I don't not worry much about that.
Speaker B:You have to.
Speaker A:Well, yeah, they have to because a lot of people turn around, especially people in remodeling, they'll turn around.
Speaker A:They're more, more focused on the project.
Speaker A:But they not saying all because some of them do.
Speaker A:But a lot of them don't bother, you know, they don't even ask you for a certificate of liability insurance.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And you know, or they won't go on, they won't go on the registered contractor's website to make sure their, their license is, is active.
Speaker B:Yeah, you know, it's two types of permits for whatever you do in your residential property.
Speaker B:One is building as an owner who basically you take the full responsibility to get everything done.
Speaker B:And my advice in that case if you're going to do that is make sure the designer or the person who's going to help you is going to be around to answer questions from inspections or from plant examination.
Speaker B:And the other one is when you hire a general constructor with license insurance and basically they take over the project and you don't have to worry about that anything.
Speaker B:You just make sure, you know, they show up in time.
Speaker B:You know, they show up with the materials and you get copies of everything in order to do that.
Speaker B:So this is the two type of permits.
Speaker B:One is building owner who is simple.
Speaker B:You take full responsibility of the project and the city is expecting to, you understand you have to call for the inspections and all that.
Speaker B:Sometimes in some designers like myself, if you're going to do it like that, yes, perfect.
Speaker B:But as part of my contract at the time where we compromise with project is we will be with you from day one all the way to when you turn the key.
Speaker B:That means if the inspector show up, I will be there to answer any questions he has.
Speaker B:Because I think, you know, like some inspections or some inspectors will ask you not a trick question, but a complex question.
Speaker B:And if you don't know what your answer will be, that inspection can be postponed and you will probably lost a couple days or a couple weeks.
Speaker B:But if you know the answer, maybe you get lucky and oh, it's approved, let's move to the next one, you know, so it's important make sure you know, when you hire somebody, number one, understand, you know, as a professional, number one, has the license, has the insurance and has the experience and has the patient to answer all your questions.
Speaker B:Because if you come to me and I'm in a hurry and I.
Speaker B:Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker B:No, no, no.
Speaker B:That is not an answer.
Speaker B:It has to be a solid answer.
Speaker B:And in my case, I always.
Speaker B:It's not about the money or about the getting the project.
Speaker B:It's to the satisfaction of the customers.
Speaker B:Because the whole idea, if you're gonna hire me, you want to make sure you will be satisfied with the answers.
Speaker B:And we're not even in the project yet.
Speaker B:Because if you satisfy in the questions I answered and you are getting secured to, oh, you know, these guys know what he's talking about.
Speaker B:Oh, you know, he answered all the questions, all the doubts I have, perfect.
Speaker B:Is going to be, let's meet in a Starbucks.
Speaker B:Let's have a cup of coffee for 15 minutes and hey, by the way, I need a $10,000 check without signing a contract.
Speaker B:Don't do that, because trust me, that will be the last time you see the guy.
Speaker B:Real professionals will put everything black and white how it's supposed to be.
Speaker B:And they will.
Speaker B:Before we just get to that point, we will answer all the questions.
Speaker B:Because in my case, my satisfaction will be.
Speaker B:You understand what you're getting into, because at the time when you sign the contract is a legal document, and just to break it is another headache.
Speaker B:So let's do it right.
Speaker B:Answer all the questions, make an appointment, talk to phone call and meet in a place where you can be sure if you go back, he will be there.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:You know, that's exactly right.
Speaker A:You got to make sure that the people that you're dealing with are reputable, honest, licensed in the state that you're in, as well as just to make sure.
Speaker A:And it's just good business practices because you don't want to sign your life away.
Speaker A:We all work hard for our money.
Speaker A:We don't want to just give somebody, you know, like you say, $10,000 and just say, okay, just.
Speaker A:Just do me right.
Speaker A:Well, you know, if they're not honest, they're not going to do you Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:And a lawyer within DUI case or a lawyer who is going to meet with you and helping you if you have a DUI, they will never meet you in a McDonald's on a Starbucks.
Speaker B:They won't meet you.
Speaker B:And they're all about Wendy's.
Speaker B:No, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's just.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's really.
Speaker A:That's really.
Speaker A:You got to.
Speaker A:You got to do it right.
Speaker A:But, Ed, let's talk a little bit about, you know, because I think the cities, I think this is still probably A little gray area.
Speaker A:But let tell me if I'm mistaken here.
Speaker A:You know, when people turning around and say okay, I'm going to build this adu, let's talk about you know, return on investment if I'm going to rent it out.
Speaker A:How do people turn turn around in basically find decide on what they're going to rent their ADU at.
Speaker A:Did they just go by like for instance square footage of, of what is in you know, the comparables in the area in different homes and just take a percentage of that based on the size of their adu?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know when somebody is going to say well you know, going to put an ad in the rear of my property on my own and I want to make sure, you know, I have the right amount of money for as a second, you know, second money commitment to helping me in my situation.
Speaker B:I would say 500 square footage.
Speaker B: present rental prices between: Speaker B: u built can go all the way to: Speaker B: th,: Speaker B:We can't go back to the prices in the 80s or the 90s.
Speaker B:You know, you're not going to get something like that.
Speaker B: it can go back with probably: Speaker B:And that is plus utilities.
Speaker A:I was just going to ask you about that.
Speaker B:Yeah, utilities.
Speaker B:You know, under the present law you can add an electrical service, independent electrical service to the additional dwelling unit you are built comments around but it's nothing short and I really don't want to get too deep in that.
Speaker B:They are planning to add I would say an independent water meter.
Speaker B:The sewer will be connected to the, to the same house.
Speaker B:But so far again it's just a rumor around from some jurisdictions with you know, whatever it is cost.
Speaker B:But I know for a fact Phoenix, Maricopa and some other jurisdictions allow you to have a secondary meter electrical meter as an independent for the, for the, for the unit.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean I know some homeowners that actually have rented out like casitas that are were on their property.
Speaker A:If they have, if all the electric is all connected for both how the main house and the casita they just arbitrarily.
Speaker A:I know I don't know how some of them figured it out, but they put a percentage for the electric in there and obviously water.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B: ust to be, you know, basic, a: Speaker B:You know, the minimum size for that specific 900 square footage ADU will be probably almost 100amps to be sustained.
Speaker B: in a: Speaker B:That is a different, that is a cost added.
Speaker B:But if you have a 200 square foot, a 200amps panel for the main house and you add in another 200 a regular panel to the new service, it will be, you know, like having another new house.
Speaker B:A new house and you don't have to worry about it because whoever is going to rent it or leave it there will take care of, you know, the bill.
Speaker B: nterpretation of the law from: Speaker B:You know, the ADU is nothing, you know, like saying, oh, you cannot rent it or it's only for family, or it's going to be for this or it's going to be for that.
Speaker B:It's a generic comment.
Speaker B:The interpretation can be varied depending on where it's located.
Speaker B:But in the law, do not specify you can rent it or you rent it or give it to your family, or it's just for family only.
Speaker B:It's just, you know, sometimes you have to read it behind the lines and do the best you can to understand it.
Speaker B:And logically, I always recommend to go and talk to the city, see if it's allowed.
Speaker B:If they don't have some restrictions about Airbnb or any specific thing for rental, maybe your HOA would not allow you to do that.
Speaker B:Who usually is, you know, the reality is then they will not allow you to do it.
Speaker B:But always do the secondary due diligence in order to make sure you gonna have it for what you need.
Speaker B:Because it will be hard for you investing $150,000 in a brand new ADU and you're planning to rent it and the next day the city show up and says, I'm sorry buddy, this is not for rental.
Speaker B:This area is not for rental and you cannot do that.
Speaker B:So you just spend 150 and you have to bring somebody else or do it illegally and that will complicate things if you get caught.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So again, doing your due diligence is going to be so very important.
Speaker A:And then also to find out, you know, if There are other ADUs, other families that have ADUs in the property in the vicinity to see what they're doing.
Speaker A:I mean, you know, it doesn't, doesn't cost much to go find, knock on somebody's door and tell them that you're thinking of doing the same thing and just getting somebody else's input on it.
Speaker A:So this way you, you know that when you start to proceed that you're doing it the right way and you've got other, other people that have done it that way so you know it's going to work.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And you know, even if it's your neighbor and you know, ask the question, hey, you build this with permit or without a permit, you know, because.
Speaker A:And if they say no, I didn't do a permit, you just run away.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, you know, it's just, you know, you have to understand if you build something without a permit and that specific build out is going to be used for livable.
Speaker B:If something happens, fall down, burn anything, go to the extremes, you will be legally responsible and behind you will be the person who built it.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:So that is how so important to when you hire somebody.
Speaker B:Hey, make sure that is the name of the in the contract is the same in the license.
Speaker B:That's number one.
Speaker B:Number two, yes.
Speaker B:Make sure you get everything black and white.
Speaker B:And please, and I mean this in any way, shape or form, nobody in the business who's doing everything by the book will take cash or shake hands.
Speaker B:If you are a professional, you do everything black and white because it's required by law.
Speaker B:It may be.
Speaker B:I don't get an email saying don't forget to do the contract if you do the job.
Speaker B:No, it's ethics.
Speaker B:It's pure ethics.
Speaker B:And if you are a professional and you know what you're doing and you want to stay in the business doing things right and having a good relation with clients, city and state, you do everything by the book.
Speaker B:Put a black and white, hey checks it is okay, but shaking hands and give me $10,000 and I'll see you in a month, that is not good.
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Speaker A:We're going to be talking about some, you know, upcoming opportunities and again, some pro tips that some of our listeners are interested in hearing.
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Speaker A:And you know, Ed, one of the things that, you know, people, you know, talking about timing, you know, when you want to be able to do this, obviously, you know, being in Arizona and a lot of other places around the country, we could build almost any time of the year.
Speaker A:However, some of our friends up north and back east, depending on when they really go through four seasons, we just talk about it.
Speaker A:We never go through four seasons in Phoenix.
Speaker A:It's always warm for the most part, except around in December.
Speaker A:Sometimes you got to pull out a sweatshirt every now and then.
Speaker B:But other than that, 75 is perfect.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, talk about the two ladies on Saturday Night Live.
Speaker A:When it gets below 70, they start talking about sweater weather.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But no, seriously, timing is right.
Speaker A:And then you think about now.
Speaker A:A lot of people decide that they want to build an ADU for, you know, some of their friends and relatives that come to stay in Arizona, especially in, you know, in the wintertime when it's cold and it's the tundra season up north, they want to come down here where it's.
Speaker A:It's more temperate and warmer.
Speaker A:So that now is really a good time to start considering and planning to build something like that.
Speaker A:If you're planning on having your.
Speaker A:Your parents or other parts of your members of your family come to Arizona, even if it's just for, you know, a week or two or, you know, a winter vacation to come down and enjoy the wonderful weather.
Speaker A:The reason that we really live in Arizona, for the great weather we have, like, from October to, we'll say May, but the ends are a little touchy.
Speaker A:But no, but all that time is really good.
Speaker A:And in the summertime, we have those three months of unbearable heat.
Speaker A:But comparable to people in those other areas up north and east, you know, they have those horrendous winters, so it's just the complete opposite.
Speaker A:So I think we all experience extreme weather.
Speaker A:But now is a good time to start thinking about building and planning if you have the property or if you're going to be buying a piece of property and you want to put one on there.
Speaker A:Because I know a lot of people that, you know, are looking for container homes.
Speaker A:If they are going to build a primary residence, they're considering getting a container home because it could be actually put on the property.
Speaker A:They can live in it and when the primary residence is done, they could, they could again rent it out, make it a vrbo, you know, have it over for, use it for, you know, family and friends.
Speaker A:So there's a lot to be said about that, you know, doing that or just, you know, planning and building an ADU like your firm makes in this way, they.
Speaker A:They have a place of a place to stay on their property while they're building their primary residence.
Speaker A:Because if you have a big enough piece of property, I mean, that's very doable.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I have to mention, you know, in some jurisdictions in the state of Arizona, in order to.
Speaker B:You can have an additional dwelling unit, you have to have a main building.
Speaker B:Sometimes some jurisdictions allow you, depending on where it's located and the size of the property, allow you to have a temporary trailer so you can leave there in the meantime.
Speaker B:But that will be basically depend on what jurisdiction and what the requirements are.
Speaker B:I'll put you an example.
Speaker B:City of Phoenix, Maricopa County, Tempe Mesa.
Speaker B:They will not allow you to have an additional dwelling unit or ADU if you don't have an existing livable main building.
Speaker B:Even, you know, if he's a empty property and you want to put a fence.
Speaker B:Depending on what type of fence, some jurisdictions will ask you to put something, something before, you know, the zoning rules change a little bit depending on what the jurisdiction is.
Speaker B:But sometimes, you know, they allow some things, you know, but in order to have an additional dwelling unit, you need to have a main building.
Speaker B:Even if the main building is not 100% livable or you have to repair it, they will allow you to do it.
Speaker B:But the city probably will require to do two permits, one for the main house and another one for the adu, depending on where it's located.
Speaker A:You know, in certain situations, like you had mentioned, it might be advantageous to have somebody if you want to buy a tiny home.
Speaker A:Tiny homes are on wheels.
Speaker A:So this way, if you have a piece of property, you could bring the tiny home on there because obviously it's on wheels.
Speaker A:It's not a permanent structure because it's not attached to the ground.
Speaker A:Now what you do when your primary residence is done, if you want to use it to travel, which I think would be a great idea, have your primary residence and now you've got a tiny home, you could pull it anywhere in the country you want and go on vacation, or take the wheels off and attach it to the ground.
Speaker B:Yeah, that would be something feasible.
Speaker B:But again, I have to go back to the depends on the jurisdiction and Depends on the zoning requirements.
Speaker B:Even in some jurisdictions like Phoenix, depending on where it's located and how accesses, they will probably not allow you to have a wheelhouse.
Speaker B:Again, it's just depending.
Speaker B:Each case is different and I can say across the street from my house they will allow you to put something there better where in the size of my street will.
Speaker B:Now it sounds crazy but depending on the Sony type I think like gave is R16, R18, R110 or R14.
Speaker B:Who is the typical zoning types for a single family residence.
Speaker B:And you have to understand this very clear.
Speaker B:A single family residence is when you have a main house only.
Speaker B:And this type of soning jurisdictions, R16, 8, 10 and 14, you can have an additional dwelling unit Casita Adu.
Speaker B:And under the present law in Phoenix and some other jurisdiction close by to Phoenix, you can have two, but one has to be attached.
Speaker B:You can.
Speaker B:There's no way you can have one in the back and one in the side.
Speaker B:No, it has to be one attached to the main house, whatever size up to one thousand square footage.
Speaker B:And you can have another one from three to nine hundred and fifty or one thousand in the rear.
Speaker B:But once again is depending on the jurisdiction number one, the location number two and the sonning type and sonning regulations.
Speaker A:Now.
Speaker A:Yeah, again, I think a lot of times people get overwhelmed a lot about some of the different things that they have to consider.
Speaker A:And that's something that.
Speaker A:Something that, you know, one of the things that we want to be able to do and answer questions at the Maricopa county home show.
Speaker A:We're talking about, you know, different types of guidelines and things that you need to consider.
Speaker A:Because a lot of times people listen to obviously what we're doing.
Speaker A:But then when they get involved in their particular situation, you know, there's always some kind of questions and answers to be able to do.
Speaker A:So you know, coming down the road, we want to be able to help and do, you know, have ADU types of seminars both in person and online.
Speaker A:So people can actually chime in and have live chats where they can ask live questions right online.
Speaker A:So this way if they are considering getting an ADU that, you know, they don't have to wait or send an email, they could send messages in a chat this way, you know, they get, they get live results immediately, which is so important.
Speaker B:Yeah, you know, my partner and I, we talk about that, you know, how we can provide and just understand the, you know, the word provide to possible customers in any way, shape or form the right answers.
Speaker B:You know, we're putting together two open house, I would say the first one in July, the other one in August.
Speaker B:Do we planning to invite the community come to us without no compromise and you know, like, oh, you come here, you need to buy something from us.
Speaker B:No, listen, information is key in everything and in order to, you can understand what you're getting into, just come and ask a question, call us, send us an email or show up in my office and say, hey Eddie, you know what I heard, you know, in the postcards talking about the adu, and I have this question and trust me, I will make the time because no investment will be enough if you made a mistake.
Speaker B:So we planning to do that in July.
Speaker B:We plan to have an open house to the public.
Speaker B:They can come and talk to us and we probably going to have some, somebody from the city just to answer typical questions.
Speaker B:We're working in that, you know, you know, the city procedures sometimes do not allow you to do that kind of thing.
Speaker B:And it's going to be on Saturday, you know, to when everybody can have the time to show up and you know, you can look the ADU we have and look at offices, you know, ask all the questions you want and why not if you decided to do something, you know, we will be ready to provide in the assistance you need in order to make sure you have your dream come true.
Speaker A:Right now.
Speaker A:The other thing too is if, if any one of our listeners are out there and they're thinking that this might be something that they might be, want be able to do.
Speaker A:And if you go back into our archives, you see one of the, our guests that we've had in the past, land is home and they actually can find you properties pretty much anywhere in the country, depending on where you want to live.
Speaker A:Just give them the parameters and they can go out and find out, you know, whether it's Arizona, you know, New York, California or wherever to find a piece of property.
Speaker A:And then, you know, if you are considering doing an ADU in a primary residence in any of those places, you know, make sure before you buy, you know, like you had said before, don't go build it and then all of a sudden find out that it's in violation of some, you know, city, city jurisdiction law or something like that, and now you've stuck with a building that you can't rent, at least legally anyway.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So you want to be able to do that.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But finding property, and that's one of the things that I always tried to do here when we, when we, when we started doing Boxcar universe, you know, almost three and a half, four years ago now is talk about all the different things that are pertaining to sustainable lifestyle living.
Speaker A: I think over the last, since: Speaker A:Maybe they don't have to live in two separate states, they could live in separate units in the same, on the same property.
Speaker A:You know, if that's something that you want to do and maybe you want to take, maybe your parents are getting, you know, older and elderly and they need, they need some assistance, you know, and you want to be able to provide that assistance.
Speaker A:And ADU is perfect for that particular situation.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And you know, talking about that specific situations, a, you know, if you have your parents, you know, living 45 minutes, 30 minutes, 15 minutes away from your house and you know it's an emergency, you need to run away to assist them in any way, shape or form, you know, if you're planning to just to have it at close to to you, logically, independently.
Speaker B:Because not everybody likes to have, you know, my parents and living with me, you know, having an ADU in the back of the property is always good.
Speaker B:It's a good idea.
Speaker B:Or my daughter is 20, he's going to college and he wants some independence or my son wants some independence, you know, because sometimes he brings some friends, you know, to study.
Speaker A:Young adults always want to be separated, independent.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, and ADO is a solution, you know, even if it's family, you know, my close family or my parents or business, you know, you want to rent it and have an extra, you know, extra income in your retirement, you know, and ADU is a solution and biologically, once again, it's due to your diligence, you know, for your property.
Speaker B:Make sure you have what you need and make sure you are in compliance because trust me, you don't want the city show up in your property and say, hey, you know what, what you build in the back is not complying.
Speaker B:And now you have a big red sticker in front of your house where everybody will see it.
Speaker B:And that will be uncomfortable.
Speaker A:And I could give, I can vouch for this.
Speaker A:If you see one of those red stickers on your, your building or in your property, it will not make her day.
Speaker A:Oh yeah, trust me, you've been red tagged.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And besides that, some people don't take serious that hey, the city will is not going to forget about it.
Speaker B:You have an illegal addition, you have an Illegal something in your property and you get a red tag, you get one of those stickers or job work orders, it will not go away until you all fix it or you end in court.
Speaker B:Usually that happens after six months.
Speaker B:If you just, oh yeah, don't worry, I'll take care of it.
Speaker B:Again, the CD is not interest and complicate your life.
Speaker B:The CD is interest and resolve the situation in some way educating you to please don't do it again.
Speaker B:Because at the end of the day, if something happens, people will be, well, yeah, bro, nobody came and tell me, I think it's the other way around.
Speaker B:Why I don't go and ask, you know, so if you get a ticket, if you get red tag, just look for professionals.
Speaker B:Look for professionals who can help you and go an extra mile.
Speaker B:Hey, let's go to the city together and let's see what they're going to ask and maybe you can answer the question there and then you can see if the guy you are planning to hire is who it is.
Speaker B:Because if he's just going to show up sitting next to you looking the ceiling, find somebody else.
Speaker A:You know, you can always have, you can always have.
Speaker A:You could ask the city to actually come out.
Speaker A:Have one of the inspectors come out and just do a review of what you want to do.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:And have them.
Speaker A:And that's no cost to you.
Speaker A:They come out.
Speaker A:And I personally think that, you know, depending on the situation, that's a great way to be able to talk to the inspector.
Speaker A:Because a lot of times that same inspector may come out when you do get to certain plateaus of completion to let them know that you're the person there.
Speaker A:You want to build this, but you want to do it right and you make that one on one connection face to face.
Speaker A:And that could go a long way on making sure you get all those green tags without getting any more red ones.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:You know, a lot of jurisdictions have that kind of service.
Speaker B:They call them a job site meeting.
Speaker B:Usually go between $150 or $250 depending on what it is.
Speaker B:These type of situation or these type of meetings usually are applied to when you have a violation or when you have the red tag in the window in front of your property.
Speaker B:And that is a good way to use.
Speaker B:Go and talk to the city.
Speaker B:The city will come, send somebody to talk to you and they will explain to you exactly what you need to do.
Speaker B:They will not give you the solution because logically liability issues came in place when you talk to the government.
Speaker B:But they will tell you basically what you need to do and then you transmit that to the person you're going to hire.
Speaker B:Logically, when situations like that happen to me, I always go back to the city with that and trying to get the inspector comments.
Speaker B:And I base it in that and what you said, I compare it and I find the solution we recommend to do that is, you know, it's in a small fee and you get the city show up in your property and say, hey, you know what?
Speaker B:You did this illegally.
Speaker B:Okay, great.
Speaker B:Here is what you need to do.
Speaker B:A, B, C, D, 1, 2, 3, 4.
Speaker B:They, they give you a piece of paper and you know that piece of paper will be law.
Speaker B:What you need to get it fixed.
Speaker B:Sometimes it's good, you know, if you want to do something and you just don't know exactly what you need to do.
Speaker B:In my case, you know, when somebody says, you know, I have this land and I want to do this, but I'm not sure what I might need to do.
Speaker B:What I do is, you know, like, okay, let's go to the city together and they will ask you some questions related to the property and I will add the technical part and let's have a conversation.
Speaker B:What do you have in mind?
Speaker B:What do you want?
Speaker B:How high, how big, how deep?
Speaker B:And based on that information, we go to the city, we see with the plans examination.
Speaker B:Site planning first.
Speaker B:And here is the order.
Speaker B:Site planning is the people who tell you, yes, you can build it.
Speaker B:Residential or commercial plans examination.
Speaker B:They only do the revisions of the plan until you can build it.
Speaker B:They're using the code in order to examine the drawings you are providing.
Speaker B:Site planning is the people who tell you, hey, you only have this amount of land to do that.
Speaker B:This is the setbacks.
Speaker B:And here is the zoning type.
Speaker B:If you need a variance, you need a variance or you need it.
Speaker B:You have limits in height or the property is in a flood zone.
Speaker B:Site planning is the people who will tell you they will not review your drawings.
Speaker B:They will send you to another counter, usually residential, commercial.
Speaker B:In this case, if you're doing an adus residential and they are the experts upon plans examiner.
Speaker B:Residential plans examiner will review what you have and tell you, yes, it's approved or make these changes in order to comply.
Speaker B:Site planning examiners are to understand what the zoning is, what the setbacks or what the type of property you have.
Speaker B:They do not review architectural drawings.
Speaker B:They review site plans only.
Speaker B:And they will reply to the comments based on what you present.
Speaker A:Yeah, so again, there's an understanding going on here of what you need to actually do.
Speaker A:And these are some of the things that Ed takes care of when he has a consultation with you.
Speaker A:So anybody interested in looking into thinking of getting an ADU built on their property, I urge all of you to reach out to Ed and Ed.
Speaker A:How could they contact you?
Speaker B:You know, you can call us anytime.
Speaker B: -: Speaker B: you can come to our office at: Speaker B:And you know, we will have somebody there to answer your questions.
Speaker B:But if you want, you know, go straight to the point and hey Eddie, show me what your system says.
Speaker B:You can come and ask for me or ask for my partner, Dimitri Gills, and they will answer your questions.
Speaker B:I will be available to get any single doubt away from you in order not just to get your project but to make sure what you're doing is right.
Speaker A:That's great.
Speaker A:And I want to remind everybody that you could meet Ed and the team right out at the State Farm stadium over on July 11th, 12th and 13th at the Maricopa county home show.
Speaker A:Make sure you check out when you go there, seek him out.
Speaker A:He's going to be on the field level.
Speaker A:So we will see you then.
Speaker A:I will be there as well.
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