Episode 100
A Comprehensive Guide to Building Your Dream Container Home
Are you contemplating the construction of your very own container home? The complexity and intricacies of such a venture are manifold, encompassing not only the structural challenges but also the financial implications and unforeseen surprises that may arise during the process. In this enlightening discourse, we are privileged to engage with Karl Faust, a distinguished expert from Affordable Container Homes and Integrated Modular Solutions, who will elucidate the myriad considerations one must heed before embarking on this sustainable housing journey. We delve into the essential engineering requirements, regulatory stipulations, and the pivotal choices that dictate the success of container living. As we navigate through the nuances of this innovative lifestyle, we aim to empower prospective homeowners with the knowledge necessary to make informed decisions in their pursuit of sustainable living.
The exploration of container homes opens a dialogue concerning not merely the physical construction of such dwellings but the broader implications they carry in the context of sustainable living. Within this discourse, the episode features insights from Carl Foust, a contractor specializing in affordable container homes, who delineates the multifaceted complexities involved in such projects. He emphasizes the necessity of thorough planning and adherence to local building codes, which can often present formidable challenges to prospective builders. This episode endeavors to enlighten listeners on the significance of engaging with reputable contractors, thereby mitigating the risks associated with DIY projects that may overlook critical safety and engineering standards. Furthermore, the conversation touches upon the evolution of living spaces over centuries, highlighting how container homes represent a contemporary solution to the enduring quest for sustainable housing in an era marked by environmental consciousness and the need for resource efficiency.
Takeaways:
- Constructing a container home entails a myriad of challenges that must be meticulously navigated.
- Understanding the engineering requirements is vital for ensuring the structural integrity of container homes.
- Sustainable living through container homes offers an innovative solution to contemporary housing issues.
- Proper insulation techniques are crucial in maintaining comfortable temperatures within container homes.
- Utilizing solar energy can significantly enhance the sustainability of container homes, making them more self-sufficient.
- Compliance with local regulations and obtaining necessary permits is imperative for successful construction projects.
Links referenced in this episode:
- idealhomeimprovementaz.com
- stardustbuilding.org
- imsbuilder.com
- affordablecontainerhome.com
- iFoam.com
- boxcaruniverse.com
- mrelectric.com/phoenix-metro
Companies mentioned in this episode:
- Affordable Container Homes
- Integrated Modular Solutions
- Ideal Home Improvement
- Legacy Custom Homes AZ
- Star Building Supplies
- I Foam
- Amazon
- Eddie's Containers
Transcript
Are you thinking about building your own container home?
Speaker A:Before you grab that welder and start cutting up that container for windows and doors, listen to our next guest that will reveal all the challenges, costs and surprises that you may encounter.
Speaker A:Which way is right for you?
Speaker A:Let's find out.
Speaker B:Since the dawn of time, mankind has searched for ways to shelter themselves from the elements.
Speaker A:Over the centuries, these shelters have evolved.
Speaker B:From bamboo huts huts to concrete towers.
Speaker A:The last few years, there's been a push to save the planet.
Speaker A:Are you ready to embark on a more sustainable lifestyle?
Speaker A:Look no further.
Speaker A:You're about to enter the adventures of container home living.
Speaker A:And now, contractor, radio and TV personality and your host for Boxcar Universe, Steve Dubel.
Speaker A:Hi, I'm Steve Dubel, host of Boxcar.
Speaker A: nd we are here in February of: Speaker A:And as always, we try and bring you the cutting edge information on everything, container homes and sustainable lifestyle living.
Speaker A:And today is no exception.
Speaker A:With us today is Carl Foust from Affordable Container homes and integrated modular Solutions.
Speaker A:And we're going to be talking a lot about container homes, things that pertain to living in a container.
Speaker A:And that's a lot about what people are talking about.
Speaker A:They're listening to, they're seeking sound good information.
Speaker A:And Lord knows there's a lot of disinformation out there.
Speaker A:Especially you can't trust everything that you watch on the Internet.
Speaker A:And oh, is that true?
Speaker A:Everything on the Internet isn't true.
Speaker A:Well, I think we've all known that.
Speaker A:But we have to use our sense and intelligence to make sure that we deduce what good and what's not.
Speaker A:And that's what we try and do here, bring you the hard hitting, truthful information about remodeling, renovations, container homes, container pools and sustainable lifestyle living.
Speaker A:So we want to welcome into the show today Carl Foust from, as we like to say, IMS solutions and affordable container homes.
Speaker A:Carl, thanks for being on the show.
Speaker A:It's been far too long since you've been here.
Speaker B:It's been a while since I've been here, huh?
Speaker A:It's been a while, but I've been.
Speaker B:Out a couple times.
Speaker A:You've been a busy guy.
Speaker B:We try to.
Speaker A:Oh my God.
Speaker A:Every time I've come down to Eloy, you've got multiple, multiple things happening.
Speaker A:I remember the last time I came down we were taking some great pictures.
Speaker A:I know you were installing some, I think it was some solar panels on top of some city.
Speaker A:City Built container.
Speaker B:We're actually doing cooling stations for the state, for the city of Phoenix.
Speaker B:And so we put a 40 foot container, solar panels all across the top of it with a 2 ton air conditioner in it.
Speaker B:And basically they put them around different parts of the city.
Speaker B:And a couple of them went to some Indian reservations and some prisons, but more or less just a place to get yourself cool in the summer.
Speaker B:And they ran 24, seven, so it was pretty cool thing.
Speaker A:These are good things.
Speaker A:Obviously this is a good thing for the city.
Speaker A:It's a good thing for actually Arizona because, you know, now is the time when everybody's like, oh, it's really beautiful here.
Speaker A:But you know, come back in July.
Speaker B:And August, it's gonna be 120 pretty soon.
Speaker A:I want everybody to understand out there who's listening.
Speaker A:You know, we talk about the heat in Arizona, but it's just as intense as the cold is up north.
Speaker A:When you see those blizzard pictures because people are bundling up, trying to stay warm, well, we're doing the same thing, but only in the opposite direction.
Speaker A:And you know, I think one of the most things that I've ever had, people turn around and say to me, well, how do you live in a container?
Speaker A:It's all metal.
Speaker A:And I'm like, you know, I'm scratching my head, you know, they don't, they don't understand.
Speaker B:It's fully insulated and basically they're, you know, it's built out so that it can withstand all the heat.
Speaker B:So I mean those ones we built for this city, they ran 247 and basically there was no electricity, electric hook to them.
Speaker B:It was all just by solar.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's all off grid, you know, and solar, solar is near and dear to me obviously, because we do solar for homes.
Speaker A:And I've tried talk to people all day long where, you know, I think they're more in a habit of paying their electric bill because how, how many of us really pay attention to how much energy we're using?
Speaker A:The bill comes in from APS or SRP and they look at it now, oh no, another bill.
Speaker A:Just write the check and make it go away.
Speaker A:And that's exactly what I think happens.
Speaker A:And people turn around and they're just oblivious.
Speaker A:But doing something like that, when you do an off grid building, not just commercially but residentially, you want to be able to turn around and give some thoughts.
Speaker A:You can't just throw it up.
Speaker A:Obviously with containers, you've got a whole other situation of things that you need to consider.
Speaker A:Even though the insides look similar.
Speaker A:But putting a container home together is a little bit.
Speaker A:There's a lot of other factors going in.
Speaker A:Like we were talking before the show a little bit about the engineering that goes into building a container home.
Speaker A:Not just a one unit, but multi units.
Speaker A:Tell our listeners a little bit about that process.
Speaker B:Well, anytime you're going to build, whether, I mean, I've actually got three models approved through the state for, you know, backyard ADUs and such.
Speaker B:One's, you know, two 40 foot containers put together.
Speaker B:One's two 20 foot containers put together.
Speaker B:But that engineering, we have to go out structurally engineer it so that it's not going to fall down.
Speaker B:It's not going to.
Speaker B:If it's got snow loads, it's got wind loads, it's got everything.
Speaker B:We reinforce it with steel tubing and then weld it.
Speaker B:And sometimes I've got stiffeners underneath.
Speaker B:If I'm actually spanning a 40 foot section, I've got to stiffen up the bottom of it.
Speaker B:And that's just the structural side of it.
Speaker B:And then you got to get into the mechanical, electrical and plumbing, which all have to go by international business codes of whether it's plumbing, international plumbing code, international electric code, whatever it might be.
Speaker B:And they all have to be approved.
Speaker B:So those plans, you know, people don't understand it, but those plans themselves can run 15 to $20,000.
Speaker B:Just to have the plan so that you got a stamp on it that says, you know, I've got an engineer that stamped those plans saying, yep, this is what it's going to do and this is how it's going to do it.
Speaker B:And then we build it to those plans.
Speaker B:Versus, like you were saying, some people watch a YouTube and go, oh yeah, I'm gonna build this container.
Speaker B:Oh yeah, you know, let me cut this hole here.
Speaker B:And you know, I don't know how to put that window in, but I'll watch a couple videos on how to do it.
Speaker A:How much wood do I need to build this?
Speaker A:I'll go down to Home Depot, I'll start today.
Speaker A:No, it's amazing what, you know, the things that you don't know for homeowners that want to be able.
Speaker A:And that's why I always say sometimes a homeowner with tools could be a dangerous thing because you just don't know what you do and then you could injure yourself.
Speaker A:But talking about the engineering part of it, I know that that is strategic, strategically important, because I know the company that we do business with and we've had on the show in the past Building container pools, the same thing has to be, they have to be engineered because sometimes you want like a 20 foot pool.
Speaker A:It needs.
Speaker A:What they do is they cut them horizontally and then they flip them open and then they both have to be reinforced to be able to hold the water.
Speaker A:Hold the water.
Speaker A:But then also they do a fiberglass insert in.
Speaker A:So it has to be against stamped engineered plants.
Speaker A:And, and you won't be able to.
Speaker B:Put them in your backyard or you won't be able to put them in wherever without the, if the city's.
Speaker B:If you got to go through any kind of permitting or planning, you know, you're not going to be able to do it without the stamp plans.
Speaker A:Exactly, exactly.
Speaker A:And then the one thing that I people when they talk about off grid homes and stuff like that and pools that the one advantage is like people say well what advantage do you have about building a pool in the ground versus a container pool?
Speaker A:I said, well, I mean, you know, if you decide to move, are you going to take the in ground pool with you or are you going to take your container pool with you?
Speaker A:You know, the same thing goes for home.
Speaker A:You have it on your property or if you have, you know, an ADU on your property if you move.
Speaker A:No, but nothing says you can't get it craned out and take it with you.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, I mean again you can also put a home down and put it on a foundation and then you're going to be able to get a probably, you know, mortgage on it and you can borrow against it.
Speaker B:You know, it's part of your home then.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:So that's why they, you know, that's nice.
Speaker B:That's why it's not a mobile.
Speaker B:It doesn't have any, it doesn't have wheels on it.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Anything without wheels is considered stationary.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's permanent.
Speaker A:So that's it, that's important.
Speaker A:But we're going to take a short break and then we're going to come back, we talk with Carl a little more about some of the more nuts and bolts and things you need to know about having a container home on your property or if you want to build something from scratch or have an adu.
Speaker A:So I want everybody to hang tight.
Speaker A:We'll be right back.
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Speaker A:And with us today is Carl Foust from Affordable Container Homes and Integrated Modular Solutions.
Speaker A:And we are talking about some of the structures and things that go into building a container home.
Speaker A:And Carl, tell us a little bit about because I know a lot of people that try.
Speaker A:You know we talked a little bit about the last segment about DIY and your average homeowner saying oh I can do this.
Speaker A:Let me just go find a used container somewhere and just try to go on a YouTube video and I'll learn how to frame things out and stuff.
Speaker A:But it goes into there's a lot more involved not just with the engineering but choice of container.
Speaker A:When you go out and you get your containers, I know they're mostly, mostly brand new or one time use, correct?
Speaker B:I usually only use those.
Speaker B:I mean the only time I'll use something different is just for somebody wants something for storage alone, put a roll up door in it and they're just using their backyard for storage.
Speaker B:Otherwise we pretty much buy them 20, 24 now, 23, whatever within a year.
Speaker B:And they're one trip.
Speaker B:They call them, they bring them over from China, but they don't send them back for another load.
Speaker B:So basically I buy them out of the port Los Angeles or on the west coast and then we bring them in from there.
Speaker B:You know, they're not what people don't realize.
Speaker B:You go out and oh geez, I found a container for $1,000.
Speaker B:Well, it's probably a cargo worthy container.
Speaker B:It's rusted, it's 25 years old or 20 years old.
Speaker B:You don't know what has been in it.
Speaker B:You know there's the floors in these things are, you know, they're marine plywood but they're treated and they're treated with some chemicals that are, you know, carcinogenic.
Speaker B:And you know, I would be very careful in what I sat in my house on.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:I mean you don't know what.
Speaker A:And that goes with anything.
Speaker A:You know, people get sick from the things that are in their home.
Speaker A:And if you build something out of something like a container that has.
Speaker A:You don't know what was in that container, it was used multiple times.
Speaker A:And now just because you're going to get a great deal on it means that you're going to be able to do it.
Speaker A:You'd have to get like for instance, that whole floor treated or at least sealed and put something else on top of it so that this way you're not going to be affected by whatever was in there.
Speaker B:Yeah, typically that's what you got to do.
Speaker B:You got to seal the top of it and put some more flooring on top of it and not have that floor make contact with you.
Speaker B:And we do that even with the newer containers.
Speaker B:A lot of times if we like the floor in it, we'll go ahead and just put a clear coat of epoxy on it, which we've done plenty of times.
Speaker B:But in many cases we'll put down another layer of plywood, then put our flooring layer on, then whatever kind of floor, whether it be an LTV vinyl or.
Speaker B:A lot of times for kitchens or something like that we'll use a quarter inch thick rubber coating which is called protect all and it's pretty much waterproof and water safe and seals them right up.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So how do you find most of the containers when they're completely built?
Speaker A:What, how do you finish, how do you finish the outside for the roof?
Speaker A:Do you, do you leave it metal?
Speaker A:Do you seal it?
Speaker A:Do you put some kind of membrane on it to just make sure that it doesn't?
Speaker B:Well, a lot of times, I mean if we're putting two containers together, I've got a mate line down the middle.
Speaker B:So from there we'll usually take a 3 by 3 inch flat bar and weld that continuous down the middle to hold them together.
Speaker B:But then we'll also, you know, I either use a spray foam roof or we can put a pitched roof on it, depending on, you know, where it's going to go and what the, what the city says or whichever.
Speaker B:Now they recently changed the rules with ADUs.
Speaker B:The city can't really come in and say, hey, you can't make it look like this.
Speaker B:You know, a lot of times before that they were saying you can't put a container back there.
Speaker B:I want it to look like a house.
Speaker B:It's got to look like your house.
Speaker B:They've changed the rules recently, both here in Arizona as well as in Tucson, that they don't have that ability anymore.
Speaker B:If it's on your property and you can, you know, it has its own water, its own sewer and it's, you know, sand alone, they can't tell you what it looks like.
Speaker B:So you can go ahead and put a container, you don't have to finish.
Speaker A:The outside of it, but please don't paint it purple.
Speaker B:You might have some problems that with your, with your neighbors probably.
Speaker A:Yeah, your neighbors would definitely have an issue with that, you know, or if you wanted to do something, do something psychedelic, they may have an issue.
Speaker A:And then, and then of course then you've got your hoa.
Speaker A:Yeah, they, they will surely be up in arms.
Speaker B:The best thing for the seat, for the roof really is to just, you know, 2 inches of spray foam and, and make it, you know, with a slope.
Speaker A:With a slope.
Speaker B:And you know, and that also gives you another, you know, you put three inches of spray foam, a closed cell on top of it, you've got another R21 on top of the R19 inside.
Speaker B:So you're probably in an R46.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:For rear roof, which is, which is not bad for roof.
Speaker B:For here in Arizona.
Speaker A:For here in Arizona.
Speaker A:That's true.
Speaker A:You know, the one thing, you know, talking about roofs real quick, I just want to, I don't know if you've had, had any, got any information on this, but I saw something on TV last night which was really amazing.
Speaker A:You know, think about regular traditional house roofing that's done in shingles.
Speaker A:When I'm talking about shingles now, not tile shingles.
Speaker A:And when they get old, you know, they ripple a little.
Speaker A:The granules come off and this and that.
Speaker A:And then you could tell when a roof looks bad when you look at it.
Speaker A:I saw this commercial on TV last night for this company that almost was like too good to be true.
Speaker A:And I haven't done any research on it yet, but I intend to because I want to, I want to find out what the scoop is on this.
Speaker A:It actually did a commercial where it looks like they can rejuvenate the shingles and make them flat again.
Speaker A:And not nobody, I don't see how they.
Speaker A:Even if they could make them flat again, how could they rejuvenate them to make them look like they're going to last another 20 years?
Speaker A:Which is, it's just kind of crazy because it's like, I mean, if.
Speaker A:Just think about that.
Speaker A:If they could, if they could really do that to roofs, why can't they do that with people?
Speaker A:Then we wouldn't have to worry about aging, getting old and wrinkly.
Speaker B:Just rejuvenate yourself.
Speaker A:Rejuvenate yourself.
Speaker A:But no, that's a, that's an interesting, an interesting thing from traditional build because I had never seen that before, but definitely on my radar screen.
Speaker A:I want to do more research about that and to find out again if it's really real or if it's somebody who just came up with an idea to, you know, take money from you.
Speaker B:You never know.
Speaker A:You never know, you know, because that's like I always say, don't let your landscaper do your roofing because that, you.
Speaker B:Know, just like you said, sometimes it sounds too good to be true.
Speaker B:It may be.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's not tr.
Speaker A:So don't worry about it.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:So anyway, getting back to the nuts and bolts.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Now all I know, all the framing and stuff that you do is all in metal versus where a DIY person may find it easier to use, you know, wood.
Speaker A:What's your take on why metal is better?
Speaker B:You know, again, they're both, they're both usable.
Speaker B:We just use metal because a lot of the projects we do are commercial.
Speaker B:And in commercial I'm trying to have a fire rating, which metal doesn't really burn.
Speaker B:So, you know, wood doesn't help me too much with that.
Speaker B:And again, we've just gotten used to using the metal.
Speaker B:The studs, they're just simple for us to put on.
Speaker B:There's no reason why somebody can't frame it with two by fours like would a normal house.
Speaker B:We just have the ability to do it because we're in a factory.
Speaker B:A dyers doing his backyard.
Speaker B:He's got to cut the wood and cut this and cut that.
Speaker B:He may not have the ability to have a chop saw to take care of the metal studs and put them in place.
Speaker B:But we just think it's a little bit better product for us, lasts a little bit longer.
Speaker B:Don't have to worry about termites, you.
Speaker A:Know, that's for sure, no termites.
Speaker A:But you know, a couple of weeks ago we did a special that I wanted to do to reach out to bring a little more help to the, the communities that know the different companies that are helping with the aftermath of the LA fires.
Speaker A:And I know you had sent some, some containers through our relationship that you've sent commercial buildings out there.
Speaker A:Were there any of your buildings the LA fires?
Speaker B:No, we weren't in that area at all.
Speaker B:I was up in.
Speaker B:We've got a project up in Stockton and a couple restaurants and stuff and chain or restaurants, kitchens and stuff, but nothing houses out there, nothing down there.
Speaker A:Because yeah, we had.
Speaker A:There's a gentleman who I had met who's actually from New York who does emergency shelters that he sent to out to Hawaii when they had their fires.
Speaker A:Another gentleman who builds off grid community housing which he partnered together in there, working with the people in la, the Red Cross and what they're doing to help people out there, as well as one of the people that was on TV who was one of the reporters who had lost their home, which this is an amazing story.
Speaker A:If our listeners haven't gone back and heard this story, please go back and check out our episode in the last month.
Speaker A:You'll find it.
Speaker A:She actually had her home burnt down at one of the fires while she was reporting the Palisades fire.
Speaker A:And then she had lost an heirloom that her dad had made because he was a custom jewelry maker.
Speaker A:And she went back to the house nine days after the fire along with a couple of firemen and they actually found it was an infinity ring with like three different diamonds in it.
Speaker A:So we were able to go back and find that.
Speaker A:So that was really a heartwarming story throughout all that disaster out there.
Speaker A:But I gotta believe that in the course of rebuilding some of those, I mean, I know some of those homes were in areas that they were a lot custom.
Speaker A:But I can't believe that people in the process of rebuilding some of those neighborhoods wouldn't consider building a container home because like you said, the studs are metal, the container's metal, a lot of it is fire resistant to be able to go out there.
Speaker A:So, you know, you can't.
Speaker A:You know, if we could put bubbles over our homes to keep the Fire out.
Speaker A:That would be really nice.
Speaker B:Unfortunately, California just has so many rules and regulations and what you can do and what you can't do that.
Speaker B:It's just, they make it very difficult to do build out there.
Speaker B:I don't even, I won't even go back and build anything in California anymore.
Speaker B:Just takes, it's just too much.
Speaker B:Too much red tape, too much regulations, everything they want to, everybody wants to get their hands in it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And that's, it's probably another reason why everything costs a fortune so much.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:It's ridiculous where you can get something similarly made here for a lot less.
Speaker A:And plus, I mean, in a great neighborhood, I mean look at some of the higher upscale communities in and around Phoenix, Scottsdale, you know, Arrowhead, there's a lot of great areas that are more upscale where it doesn't cost an armor.
Speaker A:Like yes, they're expensive but they won't break the bank.
Speaker A:Like people, I mean everybody talks about the wave California people coming to Arizona.
Speaker A:Why?
Speaker A:Because it's more affordable and you get away from all that.
Speaker B:You sell a 5 million, 5, 5 million dollar house over there and you can buy or even just sell a million dollar house.
Speaker B:You can buy, you know, 10 times what you have out.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:So absolutely.
Speaker A:You know, that's, it's amazing.
Speaker A:What, what it, like what's on your, on your work front right now.
Speaker A:What are you doing?
Speaker A:More residential commercial.
Speaker A:You're still mixing both of them?
Speaker B:We're still doing mostly commercial.
Speaker B:I mean I do a lot with kitchens and restrooms and bathrooms.
Speaker B:We've got some projects I'm doing for another homeless place up in Northern California which is a double kitchen and some restrooms.
Speaker B:Actually, one of the projects we're thinking about getting, and we hope we do, is Amazon's come to one of our other partners, not to us, but to build some temporary warehouses using the sprung structure, which is a big hoop building.
Speaker B:And then we put containers down the side to bring in the trucks to unload them.
Speaker B:And they're looking to try to put them up because they can put them up quick and they're also movable.
Speaker B:So that's an interesting twist in some things I'm trying to do.
Speaker B:We did, I was showing you before the show the Container park down in San Luis, Arizona, which is like nine, nine kitchens or something like that we built.
Speaker B:And it's, you know, a whole complex down there where there's not a lot of restaurants or places to go to eat.
Speaker B:And they're opening up to have a big, I guess a Grand openings today or tomorrow.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:So it's, it's pretty amazing.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And if anybody is listening down in St.
Speaker A:Louis, make sure you make your way over there.
Speaker B:It's called Eddie's.
Speaker B:Eddie's Containers.
Speaker A:Eddie's Containers.
Speaker A:That's a novel name.
Speaker A:Not to be confused with Eddie's, that is here in Phoenix.
Speaker B:It's actually Eddie's Food park, but.
Speaker A:Oh yeah, that's pretty amazing.
Speaker A:But yeah, I mean, and that's a lot.
Speaker A:I remember going through your facility and we were talking when Tommy was explaining a couple of things to me, a little bit of how some of the infrastructure is done with the plumbing and some of the electrical and stuff like that, which is, it's, it's, it's real interesting and it's got to be done, like you said, done up to code just right.
Speaker A:How's the Family Promise project moving along?
Speaker A:I mean, I know you're dealing with a lot of the city stuff, but I mean, is it.
Speaker A:Is.
Speaker A:Do they have any opening date for that facility yet?
Speaker A:Because I know you've got to build several of them.
Speaker B:Well, I don't know any opening date they have.
Speaker B:I know the containers are set.
Speaker B:Sort of my job's been done.
Speaker B:They're waiting for the electric to get there and then, you know, some on site work has to be done to finish, to finish them up.
Speaker A:And that's just the first one.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:But they probably haven't done anything with the other ones yet.
Speaker B:Trying to get this one up first.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, that's important.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:To get through all that red tape.
Speaker A:Well, once they get done.
Speaker A:Well, the other ones are in other, other jurisdictions.
Speaker A:Some of the other ones are in Phoenix as well too, right across the valley.
Speaker B:I don't know where all his places.
Speaker A:Are, so it may not be.
Speaker A:Well, hopefully the red tape won't be so bad.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, that'll be, yeah, that'll be interesting.
Speaker A:But a lot of challenges going in to do that, especially when you have container communities that are out for their particular people that come in there from in their programs and stuff, which is very interesting.
Speaker A:And I want to urge all, all our listeners who'd like to find out more about Family Promise.
Speaker A:I would surely have you go and check out Google Family Promise and you'll find out it's an exceptional company doing a lot of wondrous things for people that have hardships in the community.
Speaker A:So yeah, that's very, very important.
Speaker A:But we're going to take a short break.
Speaker A:We'll come back.
Speaker A:We're going to have more with Carl and talking about your next adu.
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Speaker A:We're going to be talking with the people over and for all our Phoenix based listeners, it is a place called Platform 18.
Speaker A: gone on way back in the early: Speaker A:But they have a recreation of the old style Pullman boxcars that people used to travel in back in the day there.
Speaker A:And we're going to be actually doing some interviews down there, not just on our audio podcast, but also doing a video podcast of the interview and showing everyone what this looks like.
Speaker A:And it's very cool.
Speaker A:It's a recreation.
Speaker A:You can actually go in.
Speaker A:They have all these nostalgic, nostalgic type of drinks.
Speaker A:One actually is a special boxcar cocktail.
Speaker A:I gotta try that one out.
Speaker A:And also, as you sit in there and talk with the people that they are wanting to experience it, you actually look out windows and actually you could see the New York City skyline going by and also ships going by on the, you know, on the Hudson river that are going by and also the sounds of the train going.
Speaker A:So it's very cool and I know you guys will be really interested in it.
Speaker A:And again, it's what boxcars used to be back in the day.
Speaker A:So I want everybody to hang tight and make sure you be on the lookout for that because that's going to be a lot of fun.
Speaker A:And I wanted to share a little bit of that type of lifestyle, being that we are boxcar universe.
Speaker A:Letting you know, way back in the day where, where it wrote, where it was.
Speaker A:I mean, I know I was talking with somebody the other day and they said, well, where did you know, boxcars come from?
Speaker A:And the only thing that I can think of, Carl, you know, way back in the day when I was a kid and I was home watching black and white television with my dad and I used to remember seeing you.
Speaker A:Remember the Little Rascals?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:They used to jump on the boxcars as they were moving, going from place to place.
Speaker A:I envisioned them jumping on there.
Speaker A:And Spanky, Spanky, I remember him, yeah, he was going, am I dating myself?
Speaker A:Yes, I am, but that's okay.
Speaker A:But no, we had a lot of fun with that, watching that.
Speaker A:And we're also going to have a lot of fun as we go back and revisit some of the mode and I guess you could call it the luggage.
Speaker A:Luxury mode of transportation was back then.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:When it was back then in a day.
Speaker A: So in the early: Speaker A:And I think the people that are there that are actually going to be.
Speaker A:It's not just like you go in there are people that are interacting with you as if they were back in the day, which is pretty cool.
Speaker A:So I'm looking forward to doing that and sharing that with all our listeners.
Speaker B:Sounds like fun.
Speaker A:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker A:But getting back to our discussion about some different things.
Speaker A:Carl, do you get any special requests like for people in the course of designing some of these container homes for maybe people that may be handicapped?
Speaker A:Challenged?
Speaker A:Because I get a lot of people asking me about that.
Speaker A:Well, how could you have a container home?
Speaker A:I mean can you get something build something like that?
Speaker B:Yeah, no problem.
Speaker B:I mean again it still goes back to the building codes.
Speaker B:So depending on your design, depending on who engineered it, I've got to have the space to turn around whether it's a restroom or shower.
Speaker B:Many times with the commercial buildings we do, we've got to have an ADA restroom, an ADA shower.
Speaker B:So I've got to put them in there and I've got to have the ability for a wheelchair to turn around.
Speaker B:So that space has got to be there and it can easily be done inside of a container.
Speaker B:In a house you might have two containers together so you're going to have more room to put it together.
Speaker B:A lot of times it comes down to do with how it's sitting to the outside.
Speaker B:How do you get into it?
Speaker B:Do I have to put a ramp up to it or do I set it down into the ground so that my six inch lip that I'm dealing with with the bottom of the container is at ground level?
Speaker B:Or does the company have to put a ramp up to the place to get in to, you know, to accommodate ada?
Speaker A:Yeah, I know some builders I've seen where they don't have your as you would look as have a 36 inch or even a 40 inch standard door to be able to access it where they'll just throw in a like a six foot slider and be able to enter the home that way.
Speaker A:That would be.
Speaker A:That would be one way to.
Speaker A:Well, another way to get into the home though I don't know with a ramp that still could be a challenge because how are you going to slide the door open if you're on a wheelchair?
Speaker A:That could be a challenge.
Speaker A:Unless of course it's electric.
Speaker B:Well, typically I think ada clearances is 36 inches, so you got to have a 36 inch opening for it.
Speaker B:So as long as I've got that, my door to get in is easy enough.
Speaker B:What's your turnarounds by your restrooms and your showers and how do you get into your shower?
Speaker B:I mean, it's a special shower that we have to buy.
Speaker B:Typically it's not an ADA, you know, might cost $1,000, you know, with a shower pan and everything else.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:Because they're ADA.
Speaker B:They're $3,500.
Speaker A:Yeah, they're working well.
Speaker A:Yeah, of course.
Speaker A:And you could buy like some of these showers that you see on TV where you can actually go buy, you know, your.
Speaker A:An oversized pan to put in there and then just go to solid wall panels and put up solid wall panels and that'll.
Speaker A:That'll give you the, you know, a.
Speaker B:More.
Speaker A:Should say, easier way to get into using it.
Speaker B:A lot of it has to just do with the lip getting in, you know, is it got a.
Speaker B:I think it's.
Speaker B:I forget how.
Speaker B:I don't remember off the top of my head how high it has to.
Speaker A:Be or how slow curves are usually.
Speaker A:Yeah, curbs are usually about 4 inches, so.
Speaker A:But yeah, I mean, you think about that.
Speaker A:Well, what about people that come in?
Speaker A:What would you say?
Speaker A:The people that come in and say that they want you to build one.
Speaker A:Excuse me for.
Speaker A:That's going completely off grid.
Speaker A:How do you deal with.
Speaker A:How do you deal with the plumbing if they have to bring water in or if they have, you know, kind of something like a septic holding tank or more likely like for the toilets.
Speaker A:They have to use toilets with grinders.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:Well, I mean, because a lot of times you'll do an incinerating toilet or, you know, you'll also probably have to have some kind of potable water system that'll be outside the container and then have pumps to bring it in for fresh water, gray water, black water, and then be able to either dump it into a septic system or, you know, have it picked up on a.
Speaker B:On a monthly or weekly basis or whatever the case might be, how long it'll be there.
Speaker B:We built, you know, those types of restrooms before in the past too.
Speaker B:And it's basically just some pumps and grinders and the different types of toilet that we'd actually use.
Speaker A:Yeah, we talked a little bit about insulation.
Speaker A:We talked, obviously we talked some plumbing.
Speaker A:What do you find is the best way to keep the containers cool, keep them cool.
Speaker B:I mean, again, it's just having the required insulation.
Speaker B:I prefer.
Speaker B:If I'm going to do it most of the time I'm going to use a spray foam, a closed cell spray foam because it gives you a continuous vapor seal and then the containers don't sweat.
Speaker B:It's a little bit more expensive than using bat insulation.
Speaker B:We can, if I use a bat, I'm going to probably have also some kind of a vapor seal behind it which a lot of times we'll use that thin metal.
Speaker B:Not thin metal, but thin.
Speaker B:Looks like almost black paper.
Speaker B:It's almost like the kind of insulation around your ducts.
Speaker B:It's silver.
Speaker B:And basically put it on the walls, that gives it kind of a continuous vapor seal.
Speaker B:And then you put bat behind it in between the studs.
Speaker B:But it's just a lot easier.
Speaker B:If the client can afford it, just go ahead and use spray foam.
Speaker B:Closed cell.
Speaker B:Three inches of closed cell spray foam is about 21R value.
Speaker B:So, you know, I can put 21 on the walls and 30 in the ceilings.
Speaker B:And it's very solid and very, you know, it also absorbs the sound very well too.
Speaker B:So that would be my preferable use for insulation in a container.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:Excuse me.
Speaker A:And then as far as the units themselves.
Speaker A:Utilize mini splits.
Speaker B:Yes, we use mini splits.
Speaker B:I mean, it doesn't really matter.
Speaker B:I'm just looking for a high sear value.
Speaker B:A lot of times we'll use either Daikin or Mitsubishi.
Speaker B:The two that I think we've used the best.
Speaker B:There's plenty of them out there.
Speaker B:LG's coming out with some good stuff now.
Speaker B:So, you know, we've used many different split systems.
Speaker B:But you know, from that standpoint I can also, you know, cool, you know, different, you know, different rooms.
Speaker B:So, you know, I can have one four ton split unit that has, you know, three heads on it for a bathroom, a living room and a bedroom and just have them all run separately off of a remote control.
Speaker B:So that pretty much you don't have to cool the whole house all the time.
Speaker B:If I'm going to be in the bedroom, I can keep my bedroom cool if I'm going to be on the outside and keep my energy costs down.
Speaker A:And you don't need one unit for each area.
Speaker A:They could be split, you know, multi zone.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I mean that's.
Speaker A:And that's important too.
Speaker A:One thing too is, you know, there are a lot of.
Speaker A:We'll call off name brands that are out there that probably are.
Speaker A:You can get for A lot less, but they're a whole lot less good.
Speaker A:Yeah, especially some of the ones that I've seen.
Speaker A:I've.
Speaker A:I actually.
Speaker A:Excuse me.
Speaker A:I actually had a homeowner tell me that he want.
Speaker A:He wanted me to pick him up a unit that he had bought from.
Speaker A:I guess this guy from Mexico must have bought like two or three of them.
Speaker A:And he had no way to get it from this guy over to his house because I had my truck.
Speaker A:He said, hey, can you go pick this guy up?
Speaker A:And it was just like I was going.
Speaker A:He says, I'll meet you at Home Depot.
Speaker A:And I'm like, where?
Speaker A:Oh, in the parking lot.
Speaker A:I'm like, oh, this doesn't sound very good.
Speaker A:But, hey, it was his money.
Speaker A:I didn't install it.
Speaker A:It was his money.
Speaker A:So it's just like, okay, I was just doing him a favor, but it didn't sound too good.
Speaker B:But they're not going to get away with my engineering if I got to do that.
Speaker A:Heck, no.
Speaker A:No, I don't think so.
Speaker A:It won't make the specs.
Speaker A:I'm sorry.
Speaker A:But yeah, that's just.
Speaker A:That's just amazing.
Speaker A:So when you.
Speaker A:Obviously, we're talking about now for all our listeners out there, you build them in your factory in Eloy, Arizona.
Speaker A:Okay, what do you find is the best way?
Speaker A:Obviously, they get trucked to wherever they're going.
Speaker A:Do you have them all craned off and positioned on slabs or pylors where you're putting them, or can you put them on a flat bed and slide them off?
Speaker B:You can do either.
Speaker B:I mean, if it's going to be too put together, you're going to have to crane them in because you got to set them on piers or something like that.
Speaker B:But if it's a, you know, a single 40 or a single 20 or something that's all, you know, sealed as the way it is.
Speaker B:I can, you know, I can back that off on a land all onto a slab that's already built there and then bolt it, you know, bolt it or weld it right to the slab.
Speaker B:But anytime you're going to use more than one container, you're probably going to have to use a.
Speaker B:And depends on where it's going to.
Speaker B:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker B:You know, it depends on, can I get a land all into the space?
Speaker B:Space.
Speaker B:I've had people say, oh, yeah, you can just drop it off.
Speaker B:But, you know, they got a driveway that's 10ft long and you need 40ft to pack it in.
Speaker B:It's just not going to work.
Speaker B:So it Just depends on where it's going and you know, how it's going to sit.
Speaker A:Yeah, I remember going back a couple of years ago.
Speaker A:I got a phone call from somebody was a homeowner over on the west side of Phoenix.
Speaker A:They had two 40 foot containers if you picture them, you know, parallel with each other with about.
Speaker A:It must have been about 12ft between them and somebody had built a shade cover between them and what they.
Speaker A:And it was all done with metal and they put traditional, you know, that metal rippled roofing on top.
Speaker A:There was overlap that you would see on some older modular homes from on patios and stuff at mobile homes.
Speaker A:So we had it.
Speaker A:He asked me to remove all that structure in the middle.
Speaker A:And then he actually had pillars put on, should say pilars put on the side of his house near his RV gate.
Speaker A:And I had to crane.
Speaker A:We got a crane over and we actually craned it over and we had to actually do it, move it twice because we couldn't swing it over and set it in the other position.
Speaker A:But he used one of them.
Speaker A:He was going, I guess he had a guy to go in there.
Speaker A:He was going to cut some holes in.
Speaker A:It was going to be all for storage.
Speaker A:So he was going to cut some windows and doors in and some other stuff and the other one was going to be used for storage.
Speaker A:He had a big long concrete basketball court that was near where it was originally placed.
Speaker A:So he craned that over.
Speaker A:But craning seems to be the best, obviously the best way to go as also if you have something that's virtually finished, they may say virtually meaning we'll say 90% done.
Speaker A:If you're going to marry a couple of them together, you don't finish them completely until you get them tied together permanently.
Speaker A:And then you could do a.
Speaker A:Any other finished flooring and drywall and other make all electrical connections like that one.
Speaker A:I remember seeing when we first met, you had five units that were going to Stockton that they were all going to be hooked together.
Speaker A:So you've got connections with all the different utilities that are going between them which is obviously again planning.
Speaker B:Yep, that's all engineering.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's all, it's all about engineering.
Speaker A:So I mean I think that's, that's important, that's.
Speaker A:But I think getting back and touching one more time on the ADUs, I think if somebody is interested here or anywhere to putting a small, you know, ADU on the back of their property.
Speaker A:And when I say small I'm thinking the 8 by 20s.
Speaker A:But if you had you Know, you could have easily have an 8 by 40.
Speaker A:If you just want one unit, you could have something very special.
Speaker A:And I think what I've seen a lot of people do, besides the container, they build around it, they'll build a nice patio off the side of it.
Speaker A:They'll build a nice deck or a shade structure above it to expand it, you know, and then be able to do that.
Speaker A:And then, of course, you could have all of that and then you could put a container pool next to it so you can have one nice big, you know, container home with all the, all the conveniences of a traditional home.
Speaker B:Yep, you sure can.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, but in your, from what your experience is, do you have any kind of price ranges that people could think that they could have based on, I know, depending on what they put into it, but, you know, a range that maybe a 20 ADU might be versus a 40?
Speaker B: Yeah, probably: Speaker B:But, you know, I could probably say, you know, 75, $80,000 versus 100,000 something in that range.
Speaker A:Yeah, something like that.
Speaker B:For a 20 to a 40, you still got to go through the engineering.
Speaker B:You still got to get the, you know, electrical, mechanical, plumbing, structural plans approved.
Speaker B:They don't come cheap, but that's probably where you're going to be at in that range.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think one thing that we were better off with in 20, 25 than say we were maybe five or 10 years ago when all this type of.
Speaker A:Type of structures and buildings started to come into the forefront of people's radar screen is that, especially when it came to inspectors.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Trying to get plans approved, you send them a plan.
Speaker A:I knew people that put plans in for a container homes and stuff like that, and the reviewers looked at them, they had no clue because they had nothing to go by, you know.
Speaker A:So guess what?
Speaker A:The first thing they did reject, Sorry, it's not going through and it frustrates the homeowner.
Speaker A:But I think they, once they approved the secondary dwelling on the properties, I think we made a breakthrough, I really do, to be able to get through that.
Speaker B:It would be a lot easier to get it through with the ADUs and the fact that now they're not, you know, the different municipalities can't get their hands in it and say, we want it this way or we want it that way.
Speaker B:So as long as it meets the ADU requirements, you can put it in.
Speaker B:Put it in your backyard.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I think that goes along with exactly what happened when you think about how solar came to be on traditional homes where you used to be able to go back in and hoas would turn around.
Speaker A:No, you can't have solar panels on your home.
Speaker A:Oh, no, you can't do it because it was against the code of the hoa.
Speaker A:And then the state stepped in and said you could put solar anywhere you want on your home and you're not going to be restricted by any hoa.
Speaker A:So it's like that opened up a whole different new world to be able to go out and sell solar to.
Speaker A:So I think that's a similar life story.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:Happen as we speak.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I think that's really good.
Speaker A:But Carl, how can our listeners contact you and get more information about their specific project that they may be thinking of?
Speaker B:Well, we have two websites, imsbuilder.com, that's just IMS builder nos and then affordablecontainerhome.com so either of those two sites, they can log on, look at some different things.
Speaker B:They feel like, want to get a hold of us, they can just contact us right there.
Speaker A:And I think that's, that's the best thing to do is find if people are looking for a reputable builder.
Speaker A:Obviously, Carl is one of the great ones that we have throughout the country.
Speaker A:Don't forget, we've also had other people that are.
Speaker A:Well, I have a gentleman that actually moved from Washington to Phoenix and he's an investor and I know he had contacted me, he was somewhat interested in container homes.
Speaker A:But there were other challenges along the way, like, you well know, that's why we've had people on that actually can find you land if you want to put a container home on the land.
Speaker A:I've had another gentleman on because another challenge was again, going over the years, banks, they wouldn't give you a mortgage on a property unless they had three comparable homes that they could gauge it against that were in the neighborhood.
Speaker A:Now, that gentleman I had, I think it was about a year ago, he's out of Florida.
Speaker A:He can actually quote you prices on getting mortgages on your home.
Speaker A:So again, it's knowing the nuts and bolts about what goes into a container home.
Speaker A:But much like a traditional home, there are other facets that go along with that.
Speaker A:So I think the best thing to do is be an informed homeowner and be able to know everything that you need to know about from start to finish.
Speaker A:And again, of course, once it's all done, being able to understand how your container home is put together, how it functions differently than maybe a traditional home.
Speaker A:And obviously upkeep.
Speaker A:Is there any amount that you.
Speaker A:Any amount of, like, say, maintenance update that you would recommend for homeowners after they get their home?
Speaker B:I mean, it's going to be just like any other home that you're living in.
Speaker B:Whether it's, you know, if you got to paint it, you know, a couple times, once, twice or twice.
Speaker B:I mean, how many times?
Speaker B:Every couple years.
Speaker B:You gotta, you know, keep an eye on the roof.
Speaker B:If you got a roof on it or, you know, maybe respray, foam it, you know, any of the interior, you know, that you're gonna wear and tear.
Speaker A:Anything that wears.
Speaker A:Really?
Speaker B:You're gonna have wear and tear on anything?
Speaker B:Yeah, so just.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker A:And then like I said, always tell people, walk around your home at least every 30 days and see if there's anything.
Speaker A:See if there's any leaks there.
Speaker A:Say, you never know, you know, sometimes people like, for instance, overload their electrical panel.
Speaker A:You know, so many times I see people trying to run too much off their.
Speaker A:Off their panel.
Speaker A:And I know this one guy had a traditional home.
Speaker A:He actually went back and he was running a spa, a pool.
Speaker A:Then he had one of those, I like to call them, those fridge tubs, plunge pools.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:You go in to get one of those, plus all the stuff that he had his house and he had, he had, what was it, 150amp circuit.
Speaker A:And I'm like, well, panel.
Speaker A:I said, you can't have 150amp panel.
Speaker A:We're going to put solar panels on your house.
Speaker A:Just because you're going to be doing that, we need to give you an upgrade.
Speaker A:So we upgraded his panel and then we put the panels on his house.
Speaker A:And now at least, you know, he's.
Speaker A:The chance of him, you know, burning something out are probably nil.
Speaker A:So I think that's very important.
Speaker A:Carl, thanks so much for being here with us today.
Speaker A:Really appreciate you being back on the show.
Speaker A:Don't be a stranger.
Speaker B:Thank you very much.
Speaker A:We'll be back here and then Carl's got a lot of other projects coming down the pike.
Speaker A:So when we have some more information about that, we'll keep our listeners up to date on that as well as don't forget, if you're at San Luis, go see Eddie's container.
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Speaker A:Have a great weekend.
Speaker B:You're a great American.
Speaker C:I love you.
Speaker B:Ra.
